Ready for new RPM version?

Conrad Meyer konrad at tylerc.org
Sat Feb 28 02:05:47 UTC 2009


On Friday 27 February 2009 05:51:24 pm Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Fri, 2009-02-27 at 17:33 -0800, Conrad Meyer wrote:
> > Other distributions don't treat their development branch as as much of a
> > bleeding edge testing ground. As Jesse pointed out, if we tried to make
> > rawhide usable, we'd end up creating a 'Rawerhide' that serves the same
> > purpose as rawhide today. So how about you just pretend F-10 is 'less-raw
> > hide' and work with that? I bet most Fedora devs do.
>
> Because it has a knock-on effect on quality. This is the ultimate point
> here.
>
> If everyone just figures, hey, it's Rawhide, what the hell, we end up
> with a broken Rawhide. Then when we hit alpha stage we're scrambling
> just to fix Rawhide and make it vaguely work. We're playing catch-up
> throughout the entire pre-release cycle, fixing stuff that could have
> been caught much earlier if more people were actually using the code.
>
> Look - lots of Fedora people are developers, yes? Do the X.org
> developers run X.org 7.4, do you think? Do you run the last stable
> release of any application you write, or do you use the latest code you
> just pushed into git? In most cases, the answer is that you use the
> latest code. Why? So you know when you *broke* something, and you can
> fix it. You wouldn't run an app by writing the code, throwing it at a
> compiler, seeing that the build worked and throwing it into git, then
> never running it but just running the last stable release, and hoping
> the code you just threw at the development branch worked. At least, I'd
> really *hope* you don't.
>
> Why should the distro be any different? Why do you think it's a good
> idea to develop something without using it?

You go ahead and run Rawhide, then. You can be our early warning system. I run 
Rawhide versions of my own packages when I need them, sure -- but I when I 
don't need the rawhide version of something, I don't run it. You can promote 
rawhide usage all you like, but the best you'll get is a "developers *should* 
use rawhide" -- and developers will continue doing whatever they like, just as 
they did before you tried to promote running rawhide.

Please don't hijack threads like this in the future. (Also: please excuse any 
typing errors in my emails lately, I'm on a laptop temporarily and its right 
shift key is broken.)

Regards,
-- 
Conrad Meyer <konrad at tylerc.org>




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