FESCo meeting summary for 2009-06-26

Niels Haase arxs at fedoraproject.org
Sun Jun 28 10:05:09 UTC 2009

2009/6/28 drago01 <drago01 at gmail.com>:
> On Sat, Jun 27, 2009 at 11:27 PM, Niels Haase<arxs at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>> 2009/6/27 Kevin Fenzi <kevin at scrye.com>:
>>> I never know where to reply to these sort of threads... but I guess I
>>> will pick here. ;)
>>> On Fri, 26 Jun 2009 19:44:48 -0500
>>> inode0 <inode0 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> ...snip...
>>>> When I look at a directory listing and see
>>>> Fedora-11-x86_64-Live.iso
>>>> Fedora-11-x86_64-Live-KDE.iso
>>>> it is pretty clear to KDE users which image they want. How about we
>>>> give the poor Gnome users the same courtesy and indicate which image
>>>> includes what they are looking for? Why should KDE be treated better?
>>> Because lots of people who go to download "Fedora" have no idea or
>>> desire to know what "Gnome" or "KDE" means.
>>> Let me pass along (again) my reasoning on this issue:
>>> Currently, a number of folks (myself included) thinks that Fedora
>>> should have in their target demographic users who are new to Linux in
>>> general and Fedora in particular. The sort of people who read a review
>>> in a magazine and decide to try out Fedora/Linux, or who have someone
>>> suggest they do so. These people expect to go and "download Fedora" and
>>> try it out. If they go to a page that has 20 choices, none of which
>>> they understand a high percentage of them will just go do something
>>> else, or try one and be upset when they download the wrong arch.
>>> If the Board decides that this demographic is NOT what Fedora should be
>>> aiming for, then I am all for the re-naming and reorganizing the
>>> download page. We could have "Gnome desktop", "KDE Desktop", "Xfce
>>> Desktop", "LXDE desktop", "server edition", "bare netinstall", and
>>> anything else that has enough people working on it to provide a valid
>>> offering.
>>> So, to try to bring this back to being constructive:
>>> 1. Feel free to appeal this decision to the Board. Ask them to overrule
>>> FESCo if you think this is a incorrect decision.
>>> 2. Try and gather statistics or other data that does indicate that
>>> Fedora isn't popular or used by new linux users, and we should abandon
>>> trying to interest these people in fedora. Based on all the time I
>>> spend helping new folks in #fedora, I don't see this being the case at
>>> all.
>>> 3. Try and come up with some magical layout that does not present 20
>>> choices to new users, but allows those more experenced users to find
>>> the KDE and other installs they want. I really don't know how that
>>> would look, but perhaps there is some way.
>> Magical can be: Shows up a list at the installer where you can chose
>> from Gnome or KDE (both on the same line with no default activation)
>> and on the next line an alternative environment, here you have thinks
>> like E17, XFCE, LXDE ... But you only the them, if you click on
>> "alternative".
> Why treat XFCE as second class citizen ... ok lets add it to the list.
> But what about LXDE ?  .....

GNOME & KDE - official support from fedora (first class citizen)
XFCE - spin only (second class citizen)
LXDE - remix only (third class citizen)

Just my two pennies worth.


> You see where this leads too ... a distro should (I would even say
> must) provide a default choice.
> Its a distro not a bunch of packages that gets shipped.
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