Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

Jesse Keating jkeating at j2solutions.net
Thu Nov 26 17:01:52 UTC 2009



On Nov 26, 2009, at 6:01, Terry Barnaby <terry1 at beam.ltd.uk> wrote:

> Ok, controversial title.
>
> I have just tried to test install F12 on some of my systems, (5  
> different ones).
> All of these bar 1 has problems with the graphics (X11 lockups,  
> system lockups
> and other problems) mainly in 3D but also in 2D.
> I still am using F8 on most of my systems as the Graphics systems  
> have not
> been stable enough for 3D in Fedora since around those times.
>
> I know there is a lot of work going on in the graphics front, I myself
> have worked on and fed back issues as time and ability allow. During  
> F11
> I helped with some issues, but unfortunately none of these made it  
> back into
> updates for F11 and now F12 is out with yet more issues.
>
> The Linux kernel is generally relatively stable, as is the main system
> libraries etc in Fedora. The core issues most people seem to be  
> facing is Graphics and Sound issues. Obviously a major issue with  
> Graphics is the sheer
> number of different graphics chip sets in use and the lack of  
> documentation
> for quite a few of them. Due to this it requires a lot of user  
> testing and
> feedback to get these issues sorted out. Unfortunately the very fast
> Fedora new release schedule gets in the way of getting this testing  
> done
> and things do not get fixed prior to a new release which introduces  
> yet
> another set of problems. The new release speed also uses a lot of
> developer and user time in just managing to create a new release and
> updating systems to use it.
>
> I know the quick release cycle is one of Fedora's features in its  
> aim to
> be close to the leading edge, but this has to be balanced with  
> usability otherwise there will be few people actually using it in  
> anger and thus
> actually testing the software. This could lead to the demise of  
> Fedora.
>
> As an idea, at this stage, how about canceling the F13 release and  
> just fixing and updating the F12 release ? This will concentrate  
> developers and users into one system release. Similar to the pre- 
> release test days we could have
> post-release test days. For example a Graphics test day for F12 where
> a certain set of tests with a test suite and a set of well known  
> applications
> could be run. As F12 would be out longer, more people could  
> participate in this.
> If a commitment, all round, to producing updates fixing the issues  
> in F12 were made, I think more people would be willing to  
> participate as users could
> expect to see a stable system for their efforts.

You make the assumption that if fedora stopped, s
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