Fedora 12 Graphics Issues: Cancel F13 and concentrate on fixing F12 ?

[Dave Airlie]

On Thu, 2009-11-26 at 20:16 +0000, Terry Barnaby wrote:
> On 11/26/2009 07:46 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> > On Thu, Nov 26, 2009 at 17:09:14 +0000,
> >    Terry Barnaby<terry1 at beam.ltd.uk>  wrote:
> >> I really want to help and get a stable release and present bug reports and
> >> even fix them if I can. But, the current short term release schedule, and no
> >> focus on testing and fixing graphics issues, does not inspire me
> >> with confidence that a stable usable release will emerge. This makes
> >> it difficult
> >> for me to justify the effort. Convince me :)
> >
> > I follow the radeon updates pretty closely and my 9200 finally starting working
> > with 3d again a few weeks before the release. Airlie has continued
> > development in the f12 branch and there have been several updates over the
> > last couple of weeks.
> > If you have just tried F11 and not F12 you should consider doing so. For r5xx
> > and below, grab a live image and install one of the smaller 3d apps and
> > try it out. For r6xx and above you'll want to install
> > mesa-experimental-drivers and update xorg-x11-drv-ati. This won't get you
> > the kernel updates related to graphics since the release, but should give
> > you a good look at where things are at so that you can decide if you want
> > install F12 on the machine.
> Hi,
> 
> I have tried out F12 on 4 different systems, 2 with different ATI graphics and
> two with different Intel based boards. Only the last one appears to be able
> to run Blender. You mention "Airlie has continued development in the f12 
> branch". If that means there are people working on the bugs and producing new
> driver updates for F12 (DRM,MESA,X11), especially for ATI then I certainly
> will give it some time.

So is blender working the only thing you consider as working?

The current focus is on making graphics work for as many ppl as possible
first, then 3D is always further down the list, this is just common
sense.

Current priorities are:
0) you aren't running a binary driver - if so no priority for you.

a) Can you see stuff on the screen at install/boot?
b) can you run GNOME desktop in reasonably useful manner? i.e. firefox
runs okay, no glitches, major slowdowns etc.
c) can you suspend/resume?
d) can you run compiz/gnome-shell?
e) can you run non-Gnome desktops at reasonable speed? (yes we have to
prioritise gnome over KDE, it sucks but thats life)
f) does misc 3D application run?

So yes I'm sorry 3D generally does end up at the end of the list,
but if everything else on your desktops work except that, then I suggest
you try and lead some sort of 3D testing group and maybe feedback
upstream when your favourite apps breaks.

The big mesa problem for F11 was we pushed one mesa update to fix some
r300 bugs, and it broke some Intel, we just cannot get the regression
testing necessary with the current Fedora updates/updates-testing
system, we are hoping per-user repos stuff will solve some of that.

Dave.