New bodhi release in production

[Martin Sourada]

On Sat, 2010-08-14 at 10:32 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Martin Sourada wrote:
> > There are also bazillion distributions out there who are on the bleeding
> > edge.
> 
> But none that have the current stuff without blatant breakage as updates to 
> the stable releases, and ship the exciting but disruptive changes in new 
> releases every 6 months, while still supporting the previous release for 7 
> more months from that point.
> 
> There's a balance between bleeding edge and conservativeness. Fedora was 
> exactly where I, and many other people, who chose Fedora exactly for that 
> reason (just look at some of the user feedback, e.g. Adam Williamson's poll 
> on the Fedora Forums, some mails to the kde at lists.fp.o ML etc., I'm not 
> inventing that "many other people" part), wanted it to be on that balance 
> (except for some odd packages like Firefox and OO.o where the maintainers 
> did their own thing, basically already following what the new unwanted 
> policy will be). Now new policies are tilting the scale way too far towards 
> conservativeness, to the point where we don't distinguish us anymore from 
> other distributions; Rawhide, on the other hand, is way too far on the 
> bleeding edge end to be usable for daily use, and this is exactly the issue 
> with other "bleeding edge" distributions as well.
> 
> Not all new upstream versions are equal. New versions with major changes, 
> especially feature regressions, are NOT suitable as updates to a stable work 
> environment. Version upgrades WITHOUT such breakage ARE suitable, and 
> actually WANTED as updates. For example, people EXPECT to be able to use the 
> latest Firefox (and have complained about the Firefox maintainer being too 
> conservative with his updates), the latest KDE (and have praised KDE SIG for 
> being so effective at pushing new versions) etc.
> 
Hehe, I agree here with a lot of what you say, as well as disagree with
a lot of what you say. I generally don't think we should ban enhancement
updates completely, but things like major firefox/kde/gnome/Xorg/kernel
are usually too much. In the past, when I was still using firefox, I
wasn't especially thrilled with it's stability, especially with new
major releases, I still remember the epic fail of having KDE 4.0 in
stable fedora and I now I'm experiencing the trying to push immature
GNOME 3.0 (luckily it was decided in time to push it back another half a
year)...

I like that Fedora is bleeding edge in rawhide, recieves good deal of
testing *before* release and is more or less conservative when it comes
to important stuff after release. That way we can provide our users with
*stable* but sufficiently modern stuff (in many areas even a few months
ahead of other distros). And I think the new policy aligns pretty well
with this.

Martin
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