New bodhi release in production

[Kevin Kofler]

Adam Williamson wrote:
> As several people have pointed out, there's a fundamental inconsistency
> in your position - you can't simultaneously claim that lots of people
> are frothing at the mouth for new releases of KDE, but it's really hard
> to find anyone to test the updates. If there's so many people who want
> KDE updates, it shouldn't be hard to find *two* people (just one of whom
> has to be a proven tester) to test the updates before they get pushed.

In theory that may be so. In practice, finding karma is extremely hard. 
Users do not give karma on Bodhi. They do not even have a FAS account and 
are not interested in signing up for one. It's just how things are.

I've been soliciting for karma for this update:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/kdevelop-4.0.0-3.fc14
on #fedora-kde. It's a straight rebuild, it doesn't really need ANY testing 
at all. It got only karma 2, and one of those was mine (the update was 
submitted by somebody else, so it's not a self-vote). The update was 
submitted (again: not by me) with a stablekarma of 3. Over 5 days have 
passed now. The repeated claims that those karma requirements are a pure 
formality are a LIE. In practice this update is unlikely to get to +3 before 
the 7 day timeout, and if it does, it'll just be because of this message and 
I do not believe that nagging the devel ML for each update is going to 
scale! (And in addition, 5 days is already too long. Though in this 
particular case the neverending Alpha freeze would have kept it from going 
out to stable anyway, but that's just another broken process.) And 
thankfully this one is not critical path, so at least there IS a timeout 
here! Some stuff, e.g. kdelibs, has been arbitrarily termed "critical path" 
(FESCo forced KDE SIG to provide them a list of "critical" packages, even 
though our position was clear: we do not see a use for this process for KDE 
at all!) and will get stuck in testing even longer, potentially forever.

> Really, if you want to have anyone from the KDE team apply to be a
> proven tester, I will sponsor their application personally. It's not
> intended to be a hard process to use.

Rex Dieter has applied months ago, before the initial seeding even happened.
https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-qa/ticket/75
He is still not in the group.

        Kevin Kofler