systemd and changes

Kevin Fenzi kevin at scrye.com
Wed Aug 25 00:34:49 UTC 2010


On Tue, 24 Aug 2010 20:32:42 -0400
Jeff Garzik <jgarzik at pobox.com> wrote:

> On 08/24/2010 08:01 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Bill Nottingham wrote:
> >> Having to support multiple boot paths for the system, making
> >> everyone who gets odd bugs filed against kernel, dracut, plymouth,
> >> etc. triage them isn't exactly an 'easy fix' - it *adds*
> >> complication to both paths.
> >
> > Right. In fact, I think we're supporting way too many deprecated
> > alternatives for way too long, e.g. when will the old legacy
> > "network" service which has been deprecated for ages finally be
> > gone?
> >
> > Of course it makes sense to keep deprecated stuff around when it's
> > needed to make things work, e.g. HAL is still needed for KDE right
> > now (but that might already be resolved by F15 since work on new u*
> > Solid backends is going strong upstream, also thanks to Fedora
> > developers from Red Hat Czech), but I don't see anything requiring
> > e.g. the old "network" to stay around.
> 
> Isn't "network" needed for people who don't run NetworkManager?
> 
> For the longest time, NM only worked predictably for logged-in users, 
> which made "network" service a requirement for servers with static
> IPs and such.

It's still needed for folks who have a bridging setup. 

Hopefully soon NM will handle that case, but AFAIK it does not yet. 

kevin
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