fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

[Thomas Janssen]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com> wrote:
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> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different
>>> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are
>>> left are going to say they like the deluge of updates.
>>
>> You say that as if it were a negative thing.
>
> To me it is.  It's you and people like you that want to shove a ton of
> updates down the throats of our stable release users (including changes
> that alter behavior and sonames etc...) that have ruined the Fedora I
> helped to build. I want my Fedora back, I don't want what you're creating.

Interesting here is that one can say "Leave the project if you don't
like what we do" (already done in the direction of Kevin Kofler) but
the offer doesn't count for everybody.
Not saying you should leave, for sure not. I think you're valuable for
the project. The same counts by the way as well for Kevin and everyone
else not sharing your opinion.

>>  It's actually very positive, it
>> means we have found our niche and set some very specific expectations in our
>> user base! We should stick to that and not suddenly turn around half-turn.
>
> We've found our niche, but chasing away our previous niche (and having
> less users show up in our tracking mechanism for it)

What previous niche?

> It's getting to
> the point where me, as a long time Fedora developer and sometimes
> leader, is not enjoying using Fedora any more.  Every update run can
> break things, and often does.

Why not give QA the time to settle and find out how the new things work out?

> Every update takes for ever because there
> are so many updates.  Too many to review each one and see what it does,
> and how to maybe test it and provide feedback.  Updates runs just get
> pushed off longer and longer so that I have a block of time to A) apply
> the damn things, and B) spend a few hours recovering from any sort of
> fallout in my workflow.

What DE is in use on your box?

> If I don't enjoy using the product I'm
> creating, that doesn't bode well.

Well, it's not just you, creating it. BTW, the same feeling counts for
everyone else.

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LG Thomas

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