fedora mission (was Re: systemd and changes)

[Arthur Pemberton]

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 3:36 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating at j2solutions.net> wrote:
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> "Thomas Janssen" <thomasj at fedoraproject.org> wrote:
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>>On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:03 PM, Jesse Keating <jkeating at redhat.com> wrote:
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>>> On 08/28/2010 09:25 PM, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>>> Jesse Keating wrote:
>>>>> The cynic in me would expect that the people who want something different
>>>>> than the fire hose we have now are silently leaving, and those that are
>>>>> left are going to say they like the deluge of updates.
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>>>> You say that as if it were a negative thing.
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>>> To me it is.  It's you and people like you that want to shove a ton of
>>> updates down the throats of our stable release users (including changes
>>> that alter behavior and sonames etc...) that have ruined the Fedora I
>>> helped to build. I want my Fedora back, I don't want what you're creating.
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>>Interesting here is that one can say "Leave the project if you don't
>>like what we do" (already done in the direction of Kevin Kofler) but
>>the offer doesn't count for everybody.
>>Not saying you should leave, for sure not. I think you're valuable for
>>the project. The same counts by the way as well for Kevin and everyone
>>else not sharing your opinion.
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>>>>  It's actually very positive, it
>>>> means we have found our niche and set some very specific expectations in our
>>>> user base! We should stick to that and not suddenly turn around half-turn.
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>>> We've found our niche, but chasing away our previous niche (and having
>>> less users show up in our tracking mechanism for it)
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>>What previous niche?
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> We had a distro that was pretty general purpose, worked for servers and desktops and even laptops. We had a predictable schedule.
> We had new technology thanks to rawhide. We had timely bugfixes that didn't sacrifice stability,
> as in things didn't change out from under you on a stable release. We had an ecosystem of third parties
> that would build up stacks of newer things should a user be adventurous.  We had a fresh release quite
>  often that could be relied upon for at least a year. We had a culture of not just throwing crap over the wall at our users, which included ourselves. We had accountability when things did go awry and a honest
>  effort to disrupt the users of our stable releases as little as possible. We also we're a very free distro avoiding nonfree stuff, and we worked well with
>  upstreams.  We we're easy to configure, easy to update, easy to install whether a single system or 400 systems in a lab. We we're easy to administrate in the same scenarios.
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> This was fairly unique and what drew a lot of people to the project.


Is this still unique?


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