Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

Adam Miller maxamillion at
Tue Feb 2 22:35:42 UTC 2010

On Tue, Feb 2, 2010 at 4:33 PM, Toshio Kuratomi <a.badger at> wrote:
> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:16:30PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
>> On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
>> >
>> > > Not to reduce the debate to too much of a soundbite, but it almost
>> > > seems like attempting to decide whether we want Fedora to be Debian,
>> > > or to be something useful for users of it. I'd always pick the latter...
>> > >
>> > The problem with this sound bite is that Fedora Project and Fedora product
>> > get mixed up.  Users use a Fedora product.  The Fedora Project attracts the
>> > contributors who make various Fedora products.  You can't continue to be an
>> > attractive place for people wanting to experiment with creating different
>> > visions that don't necessarily appeal to the target audience if they're
>> > always going to be a second class citizen.
>> >
>> These are 3 if's and they're impossible to say for sure right now but over
>> time we'll know:
>> If we don't have a coherent vision for what our products are and who they
>> are for..
> Let's cut this off right at the top :-)  If a vision for what our products
> are is a problem why don't we have the people producing the products explain
> their vision?  I keep saying that vision for products needs to come from the
> people producing those products, not from the Board or FESCo.
> I agree with things like Robin's statement of how having a target audience
> helps to market a product.  What I think is wrong is to have the Fedora Board
> define the target audience that then constrains all of the products that
> Fedora produces.
> I know we're all sick of car analogies but let's try one on for size.
> If Ford mandated that the target audience for the Ford brand should be
> soccer moms and anytime a conflict arose the decision that was friendlier to
> soccer moms was chosen we'd have a lot of people who weren't satisfied with
> the next generation of trucks, muscle cars, or economy cars.
> -Toshio
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+1 for the last ... 3? .. 4? ... how every many posts from Toshio,
each well stated and I agree on the points stated.


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