Board efforts: scope, concept, and permission?

Mike McGrath mmcgrath at
Wed Feb 3 00:33:52 UTC 2010

On Tue, 2 Feb 2010, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:

> On Tue, Feb 02, 2010 at 04:42:28PM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> >
> > This is an excellent example.  Ford has several audiences and several
> > products.  Now, imagine a world where Ford is forced to only produce one
> > product.  That's the world we're in right now.  Lots of different people,
> > lots of different needs yet we pretend we can produce something for all of
> > them.
> >
> Bullshit.  Each of the SIGs is producing different products.  They pull from
> the same resources but they produce different things.  Just look at the
> KDE SIG's spin vs the desktop spin vs the Electronics Lab Spin vs the Games
> spin.

Then no one is actually using our products.  People don't use spins after
they install them.  After install they're all pointed at the same thing.
I'm a KDE user but I'm not using a KDE spin right now.

> * A user who downloads any one of these products gets a different experience
>   than someone who downloads one of the others.
> * Switching from one product to another is not an easy task of merely
>   installing one package group and removing another.  You have to know what
>   packages to install and what packages to uninstall and sometimes you also
>   need to know what configuration switches to hit.

spins don't help this situation.

> * Each of these products has a different target audience and a different
>   use.

Citation needed.  Both on what their target audience is *and* if they're

> * The major packages that each of these products is showcasing up front is
>   different as well.  Even if a minivan and a pickup truck have the same
>   engine, drivetrain, and transmission under the hood they're still
>   different products.

A pickup truck with a minivan engine sucks bad.  Real bad.  That's why
they don't make them.

The above bullets say to me more then ever the spins are harming Fedora
and not helping it.  They're a place for us to focus, spend time, QA,
hosting, etc, and at the end of the day gain absolutely nothing.  Let the
KDE sig focus on the KDE related packages and experience and not some
crappy spin that no one who is reading this email right now is actually


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