FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

Till Maas opensource at till.name
Sat Feb 27 15:56:35 UTC 2010

On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 09:44:11AM -0600, Mike McGrath wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Mike McGrath wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Feb 2010, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >
> > > Chris Adams wrote:
> > > > IMHO you're developing the wrong distro.  It is statements like yours
> > > > that contribute to the "Fedora is a rolling beta" perception (and I
> > > > don't think that's a good perception to have).  If you want to target
> > > > rawhide with rolling releases of KDE, have fun.  Once a release is out
> > > > the door, try not to just throw a new kitchen sink in for the hell of
> > > > it.
> > >
> > > Some people actually LIKE rolling releases, indeed some distros use
> > > completely rolling releases (e.g. Arch Linux). We are currently somewhere
> > > inbetween (partly release-based, partly rolling), and IMHO this compromise
> > > is working great. We get the advantages from a rolling release model, but
> > > with a lot less surprise breakage as in a true rolling model because
> > > disruptive changes like libata go only into new releases.
> > >
> >
> > If only we had some sort of rolling release, that tracked as closely with
> > upstream as possible, where the users of said release understood they were
> > drinking from the firehose.  Meanwhile, along side that release we could
> > have periodic stable releases that don't move so quickly.  That way you get
> > what you want and I get what I want.  Oh wait!  That's the world we live
> > in today.  Next time a user tells you "I want a newer X" tell them
> > "Upgrade to rawhide".
> >
> <bad form replying to myself, sorry>
> Or to put it another way, why aren't you doing this and telling others to
> do this?  If someone is on F11 still, why do you think they want the
> latest and greatest software?  If they did, they'd upgrade to f12.  And
> further still, why wouldn't they be running rawhide?  The rolling update
> release exists.  Why force rolling updates on people that haven't chosen
> to run rawhide?

Did you read what he wrote? I feel tempted to just copy the paragraph
Kevin wrote again, because it already answers your question: Rawhide is
not partly rolling as Fedora is.
And a typical reason not to upgrade from F(current-1) to F(current) is
because the major updates may make systems unusable, e.g. X not working
anymore. But this does not mean that the same person does not want
bugfixes for e.g. yum-builddep installing build dependencies again.

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