[HEADS-UP] systemd for F14 - the next steps

[Horst H. von Brand]

Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 21 Jul 2010, Colin Walters wrote:
> > On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 8:39 PM, Mike McGrath <mmcgrath at redhat.com> wrote:

> > > I think the bigger question is why are we doing this?
> >
> > There's some motivation here:
> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/systemd.html

> I was pretty clear in everything you cut off about the whole "You know
> what people need, they need this" and the whole developers making things
> for sysadmins because they think sysadmins need it thing.

Perhaps not sysadmins per se (managing big boxes, mostly with strange,
varying requirements depending on the exact set of services offered), but
users on foot (handling startup, services, ...  "invisibly" is a big bonus
for personal machines). Sure, sysadmins get help by having users pester
less too ;-)

>                                                           0pointer.de is
> Lennart's post.  If this is only being developed and driven by the same
> people perhaps we should just step back, get it functioning for a while,
> _then_ lets talk about replacements.  If you guys feel that strongly about
> it, you'll still feel that way a year from now when the whole system is
> developed and working right?  Perhaps then it can go into Fedora?

Nope. I still remember the pain in going from SunOS (BSD-style init, one
big rc file) to Solaris (SysV style). Much gnashing of teeth, calling Sun
ugly names, and trying to shoehorn everything into rc.local or some
such. It took a while, afterwards I didn't want to look back. It's called
"education", and it doesn't come cheap.

> This should probably say "systemd for F16"

To me Fedora is about trying out new stuff, so I'm in favor of giving it a
shot in F14.
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