FESCo wants to ban direct stable pushes in Bodhi (urgent call for feedback)

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, 2 Mar 2010, Matthew Woehlke wrote:

> Jesse Keating wrote:
>> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 02:11 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>>> You and everyone else, please stop proposing Rawhide as the solution for me
>>> and people who want the same "update everything that doesn't break things"
>>> policy, it does NOT fit our usecase at all!
>>
>> If you don't like rawhide for that use case, find another operating
>> system.  I'm tired of our stable releases getting tonnes of updates.
>> I'm tired of what F11 shipped like being completely different today.
>> I'm tired of waiting for many many hours while we try to compose out the
>> 3444 individual updates in F11 stable.  (that's right, 3444 srpms worth
>> of updates.  F11 only had 7446 srpms to begin with!!).  This is not the
>> style of distribution I wish to produce or consume.  If this is the
>> style of distribution you wish to produce or consume, then I encourage
>> you to go find another distribution or start your own.
>
> Okay, I have to ask: why are you right and Kevin is wrong? What makes
> your vision of Fedora more worthy than his? (Especially when his is the
> apparent incumbent?)

I do not agree Kevin's view is incumbent. I think what's happened is we 
exploded in size when extras came in and when we merged core and extras 
and we lost control over the process and over assimilating what was the 
CORE process onto extras.


When we had 200 pkgs updated for 2100 pkgs in the distro it didn't look 
too bad - but we're at half the number of updates as original pkgs.

It doesn't work very well anymore.

This is about scale and about managing our expectations.

It's not about radically altering anything.

-sv