Refining the update queues/process [Was: Worthless updates]

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 03/03/2010 07:03 PM, James Antill wrote:
> On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 18:06 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
>> On 03/03/2010 05:10 PM, Seth Vidal wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 3 Mar 2010, Peter Lemenkov wrote:
>>>> And what about tickets, closed with "FIXED UPSTREAM" w/o actually
>>>> applying fix to a package?
>>>>
>>>
>>> Those items will be released in the next release of yum or in the next
>>> fedora release. If the bug is serious or a security issue I will often
>>> backport a patch.
>>
>> QED: You don't fix your bugs, but prefer confronting users with them and
>> force them to dig out your "fixes" to work-around the issues they are
>> facing.
>
>   No, we don't fix _all_ bugs immediately, so as to not introduce
> unnecessary regressions.
Seth doesn't fix bugs even when they are apparent and when there is no 
risk at all.

> This is the engineering part of "software
> engineering". And, yes, users can often personally work around their
> problems by installing from rawhide/etc. ... without adding risk to
> anyone else.
Read: You guys are being rude against the community.

>   Some bug reporters have argued that their bug is more critical than we
> think, some do change our minds, that's fine and I'm happy to discuss it
> with them. But your desire that we should instantly rebase for all bugs,
> immediately, and no matter the risk is something you will have to live
> without.
I am not talking about "upgrading to a next" release. I am talking about 
you to fix bugs. If you can't do so, then there's something wrong with 
your development workflow.

>   Again, rawhide is =>  that way. Have fun.
Wrong, you to finally fix the bugs your packages is nagging the users of 
a "so-called stable Fedora" release. In other words: It's you who is 
contributing to the malfunctions Fedora is suffering from.