Res: Open Letter: Why I, Kevin Kofler, am not rerunning for FESCo

Dave Airlie airlied at
Tue May 4 03:09:39 UTC 2010

On Tue, 2010-05-04 at 05:01 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
> On 05/03/2010 11:12 PM, Jesse Keating wrote:
> > On Mon, 2010-05-03 at 18:51 +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >>
> >> Except karma requirements (which were in force due to the critical path
> >> process) did NOT prevent this particular regression, nor would a "1 week
> >> minimum in testing" requirement have prevented it (the update spent 8 days
> >> in testing). That process DOES NOT WORK. It just adds extra bureaucracy and
> >> delays the fix for the regression. (But thankfully, direct stable pushes are
> >> still possible for KDE packages, which allowed us to do one to fix this
> >> regression quickly.)
> >>
> >
> > You are definitely missing the forest for the trees here.
> So do you: The karma stuff will never work and if then only in corner-cases.
> In probably the overwhelming majority of cases, all karma does is adding 
> to Fedora's bureaucracy, without being actually functional.
> >  In the
> > proposals I've seen, the was no mandate that an update spend a week in
> > testing, provided it got enough karma before that.  If the issue at hand
> > is so egregious to need a push ASAP, then there should be plenty of
> > people on hand to snag the update from koji and provide you the
> > necessary karma nearly immediately.
> You are presuming a bug
> * affects many people
> * is reproducable by many people
> * has "user visible" impacts
> * users are volunteering to provide feedback

So it its none of these why do you want to fast track it into stable?

Leave it updates-testing for 2-3 weeks and pull it in then if nobody

If you can't find anyone the bug affects I don't see why its an urgent


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