Reasons for hall monitoring

Rudolf Kastl che666 at
Thu May 6 23:01:17 UTC 2010

2010/5/7 Brian Pepple <bpepple at>:
> On Fri, 2010-05-07 at 00:26 +0200, Karel Zak wrote:
>> On Thu, May 06, 2010 at 05:46:21PM -0400, Brian Pepple wrote:
>> >
>> > Normally, I'd be against it killing a thread, but the thread that
>> > started this discussion had already been done awhile back and this new
>> > thread added *nothing* new to the discussion. Frankly, it was more
>> This all is your subjective opinion. There is not objective and
>> unbiased way how evaluate any discussion, it's unmeasurable. That's
>> the reason why Hall Monitor Policy is nonsense.
> Please enlighten me then on what new information was added to this
> thread that wasn't in the prior thread that warranted keeping it alive?

one could argue that even that is now a redundant question that hasnt
anything to do with fedora development and doesent belong to this list
and is therefor "redundant". thats the whole point that is beeing
expressed here. it depends on the point of view if discussions are
valuable, helpful, creative and have a positive outcome or not.

and i want to add something else... sometimes if people come up with
"stupid" ideas some other people read it... laugh... and develop a
good idea out of some points of the basically "stupid" one. beeing
creative requires to have input... the wilder the input the more
innovative the output can be.

as linux users we unfortunately are all a vocal minority in the world
outside of the project. we are loud though and we get our ways. that
might explain why some people are pretty loud and atleast try to drive
their way... thats what alot older community members did the last 10
to 20 years. i dont want to find excuses or justify anything... just
state a few facts to explain some discussed circumstances and some of
the psychology behind it... since that seemed to be an open question
in the meeting.

one of the questions raised in the meeting posted by mcepl was... "why
dont those people leave if they are unhappy". simple... they put alot
sweat blood and tears into a project, and they have friends... with
the development crowd and with the community in general. they are
obviously feeling as a part of it with just a different pov and an own
opinion. that isnt bad at all ... but healthy... "diversity is
healthy" to a project.

and lastly just a personal opinion... i think what drives  this
project (and i hope the people i give support to in #fedora on a daily
basis forgive me) are the developers. they are the most important
entity that keep the projects alive and going. If we are good in what
we do the users will come on their own... i personally as much as i
love this project do not really care how big our user base is... i
care how big our developer base is... and i hope that in the future we
are not ruling out or excluding people just because they express a
different opinion and try to drive it. it is exactly those kind of
people that use up their spare time and work unpaid on projects like
fedora because their heart is just beating for the project... else
theyd have left for good and just used their spare time for other

kind regards,
Rudolf Kastl

p.s. i am not claiming to be objective, just trying to interpret what i see.

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