Reasons for hall monitoring

Jon Ciesla limb at
Fri May 7 13:51:52 UTC 2010

On 05/06/2010 07:28 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:01 PM, Rudolf Kastl<che666 at>  wrote:
>> one of the questions raised in the meeting posted by mcepl was... "why
>> dont those people leave if they are unhappy". simple... they put alot
>> sweat blood and tears into a project, and they have friends... with
>> the development crowd and with the community in general. they are
>> obviously feeling as a part of it with just a different pov and an own
>> opinion. that isnt bad at all ... but healthy... "diversity is
>> healthy" to a project.
> Constructive... additive ...diversity in opinion is healthy.  But
> there is a line at which debate can turn unhealthy and destructive...
> when repetitive discussion becomes shrill in its desire to be
> informative...becomes over reaching in its need to be persuasive.
> Unfortunately what we have seen lately is a somewhat self propogating
> cycle that we repeat when issues are multi-faceted.
> People who have taken their shot at making a persuasive argument to
> change the minds of a particular audience can feel like they are being
> ignored when their arguments end up not being persuasive. Ratcheting
> up the heat( and number of capitalized words) in the next opportunity
> to restate their arguments brings more attention from others who have
> not noticed previous rounds in the discussion but in fact make the
> original audience more likely to tune out what is being said. And the
> cycle repeats spiralling downward towards a CapsLock doomsday as the
> participants become more entrenched in their points of view and less
> forgiving of other people's. Personal foibles and slights both real
> and imagined pile up into a palatable physiological barrier and people
> just end up talking at each other.
Totally off-topic, but I think "Spiralling Downward Towards a CapsLock 
Doomsday" would be a fantastic band name.

> For the sake of everyone's sanity we have to find a way out of this
> cycle.  Letting these sorts of fires burn out on their own doesn't
> seem like the best way to manage our communication commons.  And yes
> I'm throwing stones while standing in my own glass house, I can be
> sucked into bad behavior as easily as anyone else and being told I'm
> beating a dead horse is the appropriate thing to do.
> -jef"It's seldom going to end well when one of the most active
> participants in any thread proclaims at the start that they are burned
> out on the issues. It's difficult to see how one can simultaneously be
> burned-out as well as a constructive voice on the issues. Passion can
> fight against effectiveness"spaleta

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