Reasons for hall monitoring

Thomas Janssen thomasj at
Fri May 7 14:02:29 UTC 2010

2010/5/7 "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" <johannbg at>:
> Burying the underlying issue yet again under the carpet or "Hall monitoring"
> it wont resolve it neither will a shouting contest between people do. People
> will need leave all emotion behind and look neutrally at each other point of
> view and listen to each other constructive criticism to gradually build up
> and achieve a compromised solution between themselves and all parties
> involved.
> Everyone knows the underlying issue that dissatisfies so many of the
> community ( otherwise Kevin would never been elected to FESCo  ) and to
> resolve that issue the board needs to step back and look at the project in
> whole, it's members, where it is and where it wants it to be and coming up
> with a clear cut vision of what the project is going to achieve and who they
> are trying to attract while achieving that goal.
> As long as the project vision remains clouded and is sending out mixed
> signals the underlying issue will never be resolved and will leave
> contributors stuck in a Groundhog day unable to move on either within this
> project or to another one and the same issue will continue to re-surface
> release cycle after release cycle gradually increasing the disruption and
> the rift in the community.

It's quite easy. First of all there's obviously the need for a poll
what our users really want. Since a lot people think our users want
another openSUSE/Ubuntu, why not find out what they really want in the
first place. Make a scientific poll. I have to say scientific since
the last thread showed that the ones who want to change Fedora
completely away from what it is, don't believe a non-scientific poll.

Speaking of the handful of people who want another openSUSE/Ubuntu.
Have they ever thought about how many downloads Fedora has? That
Fedora is since a long time with "adventurous" updates? That Fedora
grows from users *not* satisfied with exactly the system where they
want it to be?
I can say that because i'm one of them. If my former distro would have
been that close to the edge (getting the latest and greatest KDE in
released versions) like Fedora is (was that time) i wouldn't have
changed to Fedora. The blue color and a fancy hat is no reason at all.

The best thing that happened lately, was the plan to test updates
better to prevent bad breakage. Of course it wont catch any bug. But
it is obviously needed. And i don't say it's because of some bad
dissidents break it (really a horribly blog post Seth), but it's
because of we're all just humans and stuff happens.
So if we can find at least the real show stopper before they get out
as updates, we're close to perfect.

So FAB, if you want to do something, do it right. Check out why our
users use Fedora. For sure not because they search for another distro
already on the market. And if this is no democracy, then don't speak
of visions, don't confuse our contributors, then speak as expected
from you.

I hope one or the other might get something positiv out of this post.
People who laugh about it, i'm glad that i at least made your day.

LG Thomas

Dubium sapientiae initium

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