Reasons for hall monitoring

drago01 drago01 at
Mon May 10 15:07:31 UTC 2010

On Mon, May 10, 2010 at 4:05 PM, Hedayat Vatankhah <hedayat at> wrote:
> Adam Williamson <awilliam at> wrote on 05/10/2010 3:18:06 PM +0450:
> On Mon, 2010-05-10 at 11:33 +0200, Matěj Cepl wrote:
> Dne 10.5.2010 11:26, drago01 napsal(a):
> To have stuff just work.
> Go to and ask your congressman to fix it. Otherwise
> (for example if you don't have your congressman because you are not a
> U.S. citizen), you can also try to move Red Hat's headquarters outside
> of U.S. (although I am not sure, it would be enough, you would probably
> ask its biggest clients to move).
> That's the wrong argument. We all know why we _can't_ make it just work,
> but that doesn't excuse us. Sorry to take a well-worn analogy, but if
> two guys are trying to sell you cars, and one doesn't have an engine,
> would the fact that the guy selling the car with no engine has a *really
> good and inarguable reason* why it doesn't have an engine make you buy
> that car? Hell no. You'd buy the car with the engine.
> Just because we have a *really good reason* we can't ship this stuff
> doesn't mean we are excused from the fact that it's a distinct negative
> for the use of our operating system as a general-purpose desktop
> operating system.
> Just my 0.2 cents in this regard: well, we have a car without engine, and a
> suitable engine is built somewhere which we can't use. But, I wonder why
> there is nobody to pick our car and the engine and sell the car with engine
> to people who don't want to do that themselves?
> RPMFusion is a very well-known engine builder! While there were/are some
> efforts to ship our car with its engine, there is no well-known Fedora remix
> which contains the extra stuff (it is probably because most of the current
> users have already adopted with using rpmfusion if they want it). If we can
> come up with enough people to provide and maintain a Fedora remix for
> awhile, it can become well-known and something which is always there, so we
> can point beginners to that one instead of other distros if they want such a
> distro.
> We (I and a very few others) are going to create a remix, but our current
> target users are a bit more restricted (mostly because of lack of manpower)
> (Also we are currently targeting a DVD installation media rather than live
> media).  But if there are some other interested people out there, we can go
> for the mentioned remix (and we will probably base our custom remix on
> that).

Trademarks ... you can't call it Fedora anymore and would effectively
be a different distro.

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