Fedora 13 Release Candidate Phase

drago01 drago01 at gmail.com
Fri May 14 13:22:19 UTC 2010

On Fri, May 14, 2010 at 3:12 AM, Josh Boyer <jwboyer at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 13, 2010 at 11:23:10PM +0100, Adam Williamson wrote:
>>On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 15:53 -0400, Josh Boyer wrote:
>>> If we combine that with requiring valid bug numbers before negative karma can
>>> be applied, then I'd be ok with that.  Until we require that, there are way to
>>> many corner cases where something like that isn't going to work well.
>>Really? I don't think there's *that* many cases where a negative piece
>>of karma is filed between the submission and the push which you'd want
>>to ignore. And even in the rare cases when that happens, if we warn or
>>even unsubmit the update, it's not like you can't do anything about it.
>>If we make it a warning...ignore the warning. If we make it withdraw the
>>update...just submit it again. I'm having a hard time seeing that fall
> The three biggest areas where I see auto-unsubmit being problematic are:
> 1) Negative karma for problems we can't fix.  E.g. "OMG MY DISPLAY GOES BLANK
> care, we can't fix it, and it's just a hassle to make the maintainer resubmit
> for crap like that.  The same is true for odd conglomerations of releases,
> custom packages, and third party repos.
> 2) Packages like the kernel, where it works fine on 300 machines but somebody
> has a crappy ass old Pentium 4 with the original BIOS and RDRAM and it causes
> some weird oops.  In a perfect world, we'd hold up the kernel update and get
> that fixed.  I'd also be able to crap gold bricks and pay my mortgage in smiles.
> We aren't in a perfect world, and the greater good of fixing a larger number of
> machines seems to warrant pushing that update out.  Again, more maintainer
> hassle.
> 3) People just being jerks.  This is the rarest worry, but it would be rather
> easy to intentionally cause another maintainer problems and never let them get
> their updates out if we auto-unsubmitted on negative karma.

4) People adding negative karma because "unrelated bug that has been
present in the older version is still not fixed"

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