Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

Richard W.M. Jones rjones at redhat.com
Fri Nov 5 17:17:46 UTC 2010

On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 12:07:30PM +0000, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 11:57:56AM +0000, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> > On Fri, Nov 05, 2010 at 02:11:22AM +0100, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn wrote:
> > > Interesting move: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/551
> > > 
> > > Has anyone looked into bringing Wayland to Fedora? If not this might be the 
> > > right time getting involved in the discussion.
> > > 
> > > http://wayland.freedesktop.org/
> > 
> > What's the implication for people who absolutely need to use
> > X applications remotely?
> You can run an X server as a client of Wayland, so you should get full
> compat with any existing X app usage. Similar to how you can run an X
> server under OS-X or Win32.

The situation on OS X is pretty sucky (and Win32 as well, but for many
more reasons).

Native OS X apps aren't network transparent.  You just can't run them
remotely at all without some horrible thing like VNC.

X11 apps are second-class citizens, requiring longer start-up times,
incompatible menus, poor cut and paste and poor font rendering.

If we're advocating that situation, then this is a huge step
backwards.  Network transparency in particular is absolutely essential
to me as a user.  Stepping to a pre-Internet non-network-aware single
user model is simply crazy.

Nevertheless, no one has actually answered the question as to whether
Wayland native apps are network transparent or not.  Do they use the X
protocol at all?  $DISPLAY?  (And I admit I ain't looked at the code
to try to answer these questions either).


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