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Sat Nov 6 01:53:36 UTC 2010
On 11/05/2010 09:46 PM, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 17:56:51 +0100, Ralf wrote:
>> It doesn't tell the user that core dumps without reproducer are
>> worthless in most cases but blindly sends out reports
> Parts of the Fedora user base "abuse" ABRT in that they refuse to
> fill in the empty fields. Blame the reporters not the tool.
A matter of point of view: To me this is an ABRT GUI issue. It currently
doesn't suck as much as it did before, nevertheless its usability still
leaves much to be desired.
What would you do if you were a "simple computer user" and are facing
this "flash bulb icon" asking you to become "root" and to get a bugzilla
You'd call your sys-admin, who'll deinstall or deactivate ABRT pretty
soon, when you call him for the "Nth time".
As a user you'd also think "what kind of crap is this Fedora/Linux -
the WinXP I have at home is better".
> It's too
> easy for such people to open tickets via ABRT and then ignore
> a maintainer's NEEDINFO request.
Correct - But the same applies to maintainers.
My experience is, most of them ignore ABRT reports, probably because
the ABRT reports are not helpful to them and/or don't contain sufficient
> It's disheartening in some cases, but
> it's a people-problem not a tool-problem.
I disagree - IMO; ABRT is not end-user ready. It presumes end-users
to be familiar with redhat's infrastructure, which is a developer
infrastructure and them to be interested to get involved into Fedora
development. This simply does not apply.
>> Also, this produces incomplete traceback in many (IMO all) cases.
> Cannot confirm that.
In almost all cases, I am observing missting debuginfos even after
> There seem to be some issues with not finding the
> needed debuginfo packages, which may be related to frequent updates of
> repos and older packages getting pruned. It may also be related to users
> updating their boxes at strange times, e.g. seldomly but immediately after
> a crash.
Possible. This certainly this applies in some cases.
However, I am experiencing missing debuginfos after debuginfo-install
even with what is supposed to be "uptodate" Fedora installations.
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