Ubuntu moving towards Wayland

Dennis Jacobfeuerborn dennisml at conversis.de
Tue Nov 9 21:09:06 UTC 2010

On 11/09/2010 07:33 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
> On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Dennis Jacobfeuerborn
> <dennisml at conversis.de>  wrote:
>> Then why are people already calling for the rejection of Wayland even
>> though Wayland is still far from being finished and hasn't even touched
>> Fedora yet.
>> raising concerns != screaming the sky is falling
> Actually, if we go back to the first post in the thread... it was the
> premature suggestion by a by stander of bringing a "still far from
> being finished technology" into Fedora because another entity has
> prematurely decided to announce to the world that its going to be
> their default.  That triggered a certain amount of bloodletting.  If
> the original poster had come to the conclusion that it was "far from
> being finished" before writing the first post do you think that the
> original poster would have written that post in exactly the say way?
> Something the original poster should probably ruminate on.
> Generally speaking, if you aren't prepared to talk in detail about the
> suitability of a technology, you shouldn't bring it up for discussion
> like that. If you are personally interested in it, you should inquire
> as to whether there are people in our development community who are
> currently working on it and ask them questions about it.  To come out
> of the gate suggesting its time to discuss it for inclusion is putting
> the card before the horse.
> What the original post is, is a classic enthusiast blunder. The active
> developers working on the problem space are more than capable of
> proposing wayland for inclusion and answer questions about
> wayland...when they feel its ready. By introducing it for discussion
> before they were ready to engage in that discussion you've actually
> made it more difficult for the discussion to move forward as you've
> taken away their best shot to me a good first impression with the
> tech.

No. I'm sorry but it's fundamentaly unfair to hold me responsible for the 
behaviour of others. If you think this shouldn't have been brought up fine 
but if others decide to draw premature conclusions from this it's their 
fault and not mine.

As for the "the developers will come forward when it's done" you apparently 
seem to know know about the behind the scenes connections between Wayland 
and Fedora than others. I was aware of the initial anouncement of Wayland 
when the project was started at long time ago and wouldn't have dreamed of 
bringing it up precisely because it would have been premature. However now 
Ubuntu is apparently going to introduce its influence so I thought it to be 
fair to make Fedora aware of the project.


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