Meeting summary/minutes from today's FESCo meeting (2010-09-14)

Michał Piotrowski mkkp4x4 at
Tue Sep 14 23:21:13 UTC 2010


2010/9/15 Lennart Poettering <mzerqung at>:
> On Tue, 14.09.10 16:01, Kevin Fenzi (kevin at wrote:
>> * #461 F14 blessing for systemd  (nirik, 20:12:29)
>>   * LINK:
>>     and
>>     (nirik, 20:38:06)
>>   * ACTION: : will defer systemd to f15 release to give more time to fix
>>     small issues and docs and general polish.  (nirik, 21:12:43)
>>   * ACTION: notting will look at what's required to flip the default in
>>     f14  (notting, 21:13:44)
> Nice move.
> So, we closed all blocker bugs, we worked through the vast majority of
> other bugs. I dealt with almost all issues raised in Bill's list, only
> few small issues left. While there are some bugs open, we did our
> homework. I was kept in the impression during the last week that these
> are the criteria to get systemd into F14. But what happens? Out of
> nowhere completely new criteria are created, and used to bring this
> project down.
> Why do we have the blocker bugs scheme if it apparently is irrelevant
> for final decisions?
> This is a really unfriendly move: I cannot win a game where the moment the
> game nears it ends completely new rules are created. Quite frankly, this
> is a recipe to piss people off, not to make people love developing for
> Fedora. Yes, I am very disappointed, Fedora.
> It's also nice to not even bother to ping me for the FESCO
> discussion. This all reads like a page from the book "How to piss people
> off and scare them away in 7 days". You make up new rules, and then
> don't bother to invite the folks mostky affected when you apply them.
> Oh, and next time, if you guys plan a move like that, then please do it
> a couple of weeks earlier, so that I can find funnier things to do then
> make you folks happy, since that's apparently not possible.
> Everybody has a different idea of what Fedora should be, but mine is
> definitely not one where people with negative energy make the rules and
> then win by them.
> There's something seriously wrong with the Fedora development
> process, folks. And with you, FESCO. You excelled in erratic behaviour,
> not in steering engineering.
> Lennart
> (Well, and I guess this will create a flamefest, but I won't reply
> to the thread.)

Any chances to keep systemd in F14 repo?

I would like to continue to test it.


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