Default services enabled

Steve Clark sclark at
Sat Aug 20 18:18:42 UTC 2011

On 08/20/2011 08:09 AM, Lars Seipel wrote:
> On Sat, 2011-08-20 at 00:13 +0200, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> if you can give a warning you can also stop the socket
>> this is what the user expects and if your software-design
>> is not able to act logically it is broken
> Stopping the service but leaving the possibility for later socket
> activation is a valid use case. Warning about that because it also could
> be a mistake is a nice service and sufficient.
How can you say that? I stopped the serivce! I don't expect it to magically start backup!!!
You are just plain wrong. Any system should be about doing things with the "least surprise to the user"!

>> "service restart htt"
>> you can type TAb the whole day and will get no auto-completion
> Of course not. This is wrong syntax.
> systemctl restart htt<tab>
> should do what you're trying to accomplish. If you insist on using the
> "service" wrapper script, the appropriate syntax would be:
> service htt<tab>  restart
> It does fine in both cases.
>> yes it is a improvent to get htis after the boot but if you restart a server
>> you nromally watch the boot and have no reason to login as long you see
>> nothing red - this was broken by the usability-pifall how systemd boots
> I'm pretty certain that failures are colored red. Are you sure you got
> your facts right?
> Lars

Stephen Clark
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