MATE desktop environment (GNOME 2 fork)

Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at
Sat Dec 10 00:20:31 UTC 2011

Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> It is not useful to generalize. There are lots of software components
> which aren't actively maintained but are useful to have in the
> distribution and all distributions have them however a desktop
> environment is a lot of work to maintain (as seen for instance in
> and if upstream is not active, then
> any potential needs to be aware of this before volunteering this
> feature.  If someone really wants to still do it, there is nothing in
> Fedora stopping it from happening.  I was merely raising a potential
> issue to think about in advance.

Software with dead or almost dead upstream is a two-edged sword:
* If the software is working well, that's the software which is easiest to
  maintain, since there are generally few to no new upstream releases to
  take care of. :-) (But if it's something like Trinity, which manages to
  churn out release after release with a single maintainer, including
  binary-incompatible library changes, that's also not the case. But I'd
  place that in the below paragraph anyway. ;-) There are literally
  THOUSANDS of KDE 3 bugs closed as fixed in KDE SC 4.)
* If the software has many bugs, it's the software which is hardest to
  maintain, because then YOU as the Fedora maintainer are on the hook for
  fixing those bugs.
Unfortunately, a desktop environment tends to be in the latter situation.

So I'm sceptical about MATE (seeing what's going on with Trinity) and I can 
only strongly discourage attempting to package Trinity.

        Kevin Kofler

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