Rawhide is annoying me!

"Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" johannbg at gmail.com
Mon Feb 7 09:07:19 UTC 2011

On 02/07/2011 01:18 AM, David wrote:
> On 2/6/2011 5:41 PM, Christopher Aillon wrote:
>> On 02/06/2011 01:38 PM, David wrote:
>> Well...  this is one of the things we want to get out of the GNOME 3
>> test days.  If you aren't getting either a shell or fallback mode, we
>> need to know what hardware you're using so we can make sure it's handled
>> appropriately.  Filing a bug with a smolt profile would help with that,
>> or check out the GNOME 3 test day page and enter your data there.

Will there be a spin for us that already know that our hw is Gnome3 
compatible without out all that backwards compatibility cruff that will 
give us a pristine Gnome3 experience? :)

> Well yeah. That part I understand. But..
> As of late it seems to me that *some* not *all* devs have taken the
> attitude that 'you will accept what we think that you need' and you will
> be quiet'.

A lot if not most of those decisions are made by the Gnome UI Designers 
not the developers themselves so a lot of existing *features* have not 
been coded out they simply no longer are exposed to the end user as an 
*option* in the UI but *power* users are still able to tweak those 
setting via gconf/dconf editors and some of that UI Design is debatable 
to say the least from ( my ) usage perspective.

>   Or your hardware is really old and/or crappy so we no longer
> care about you.

We currently support [1].

> And the Linux that I first started using was a 'works for everyone' type
> of OS system. From the rich guy with the state of the art equipment to
> those less fortunate with older equipment or systems and slow dial-up
> access that is 'as good as it get here' in 'my country'.
> A people OS. Meant for all and not just mean for the privileged few.

If you are running/relying on a steam powered technology then use *DE 
that are designed specially support that like XFCE or LXDE.

Fallout Gnome users on older hw will only ensure healthy grows usage and 
community surrounding the other *DE .

As I see it Gnome is taking unavoidable necessary steps to keep it self 
as a viable Desktop option in the *modern* age on a *modern* hw and from 
my perspective they are about 1 - 2 years to late in the game which is 
probably due to various reason like for other components not being in 
ready enough state for them to take these necessary steps.

And from my perspective they should focus only as best as they can with 
integration and support on one platform GNU/Linux and stop supporting 
altogether any other *nix platform out there to be competitive to other 
Desktops on other OS out there.

> As I said. I can deal with this. But my mother could not. nor her
> husband. Nor my brother. Nor my sister. One out of five, 20%, in just my
> immediate family is not a good ratio.

If Gnome is not suitable for you family usage is there anything 
preventing you from using any of the other *DE alternatives we ship?

And why do you want to jump to F15 why don't you and or family just 
stick with F14 until it EOL's then check the status then?

F14 was relativley feature less which many may consider a feature in 
it's self but given our current feature set that we are introducing in 
F15 to get the best experience out of those features you will need to be 
on relatively modern hw preferably with SSD drive ( to take fully 
advantage of Systemd ) and it's my personal recommendation to you should 
you decide to switch to F15 that you do not upgrade you current 
installation but rather back up you data and do a clean install for the 
F15 release and from that point on can choose to upgrade to newer Fedora 



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