F15 Alpha impressions

Bastien Nocera bnocera at redhat.com
Mon Feb 28 10:56:13 UTC 2011

On Mon, 2011-02-28 at 10:46 +0200, Panu Matilainen wrote:
> On 02/28/2011 08:43 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > On Sun, 2011-02-27 at 23:18 +0100, Michael Schwendt wrote:
> >> On Sun, 27 Feb 2011 23:03:02 +0100, drago01 wrote:
> >>
> >>>> Btw, I think the GNOME 3 roll-out in Fedora should be "all or nothing",
> >>>> that means, no *competing* fallback mode that tries to keep old panel
> >>>> features alive.
> >>>
> >>> Well the primary purpose of the fallback is to home something for
> >>> devices without proper 3D acceleration (either because the driver
> >>> sucks, the hardware is too old or because it is a VM).
> >>
> >> ... and to make it easier for people, who don't like the new GNOME,
> >> to switch to something more "familiar"? Just to not lose them to a
> >> different DE?
> >
> > No. That's not an intended purpose of the fallback mode. The GNOME team
> > expressly does not want to maintain a 'classic' interface alongside the
> > new interface for refuseniks, in much the same way as the KDE team did
> > not want to burden themselves with maintaining KDE 3 alongside KDE 4. As
> > drago01 said, the fallback mode is intended _only_ to cope with cases
> > where the Shell actually cannot run.
> It's one thing to refuse to maintain another interface just because old 
> grumpies (and yes I'll freely admit myself being one) don't like change, 
> but in this case they have to maintain it anyway because gnome-shell is 
> fundamentally tied to something (3d acceleration) that by its very 
> nature is not going to be available in number of situations. And as an 
> consquence, the user now gets (and is supposed to learn) a completely 
> different environment depending on how and where he/she logs in: think 
> of multiple computers (some gnome-shell capable, some not) with shared 
> home directory, remote logins etc.

The fallback mode is supposed to "mimick" the gnome-shell behaviour,
within its limited abilities. You won't be able to move the applets, or
fiddle around with it. Think of it as a cut-down version of the shell.

If you see things that don't match, feel free to file bugs against
gnome-panel, and they should hopefully get routed to the right


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