systemd: Is it wrong?

[Steve Dickson]

On 07/10/2011 04:32 PM, Steve Clark wrote:
> On 07/10/2011 11:32 AM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
>> On Sun, Jul 10, 2011 at 05:46:18AM -0400, Jon Masters wrote:
>>
>>> I disagree. It doesn't suck. It's the way UNIX and Linux have done this
>>> for dozens of years, and it's the way countless sysadmins know and love.
>>> "Sucks" might be true from the point of view of "hey look at this great
>>> thing I just designed", but it's very much not true from the point of
>>> view of the sysadmin working on the weekend who's just thinking "gee,
>>> what the heck is going on, why won't this just work how it has done for
>>> the past twenty years?". In other words "suck" depends on viewpoint.
>> The big kernel lock doesn't suck. It's the way SMP UNIX did things for 
>> dozens of years, and it's the way countless kernel hackers know and 
>> love. "Sucks" might be true from the point of view of "hey look at this 
>> great fine-grained locking I just designed", but it's very much not true 
>> from the poit of the driver author working on the weekend who's just 
>> thinking "gee, what the heck is going on, why won't this just work how 
>> it has done for the past twenty years?". In other words "suck" depends 
>> on viewpoint.
>>
>> Improvement means change, and change will inevitably upset some people 
>> who would prefer to do things in exactly the same way that they always 
>> have done. If we assert that all viewpoints are equally valid then every 
>> single thing we've done in Fedora sucks. In this case there are sound 
>> technical arguments against configuration by command line argument or 
>> environment variable (just like there are against the BKL), and while we 
>> should obviously attempt to make any transition as painless as possible 
>> for administrators, that doesn't serve as a counter to those technical 
>> arguments. They suck. Unarguably.
>>
> What are the benefits of systemd - other than it is the new fantastic, wonderful latest gizmo!
Lennart, could you please answer this question? Because if you can't we should
drop systemd from Fedora... IMHO.. 

tia,

steved.