SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

[drago01]

On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:27 AM, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at thelounge.net> wrote:
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> Am 13.06.2011 00:23, schrieb Steve Clark:
>> On 06/12/2011 06:18 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>> <sarcasm>don't you know you will save 15-30 seconds each time you boot up</sarcasm>
>>> someone come out there and show me how will a 20 second-reboot on the
>>> vmware-guest production servers will get 20 seconds faster
>>>
>>> everybody out there is crying about boot / start times
>>> have the peopole nothing to do as reboot their machines?
>>>
>>> normally i start a computer and then it runs for a day, some weeks
>>> or even some months, the same with open programs
>>>
>> I agree - saying a main feature of systemd is improved boot times is idiotic.  I you boot your system in the
>> morning and shut it down
>> at night what does 30 seconds mean out of 8*60*60 seconds? Nothing. If your are concerned with boot times suspend
>> to disk!
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> suspend to disk with 16 GB RAM - have fun :-)
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> i have really no problem with "systemd" but it would be wise to
> use it only for new installations to get a wider userbase without
> spit current users in their face instead give them time to play
> and decide while have the benefit of nerwer kernels and better
> hardware-support

1) You said you aren't going to start a flamewar but still opened a
new thread shouting some random "I hate change, how dare you FORCE
something new on me" BS
2) No users upgrading should not have a degraded user experience
because some users are afraid of changes (those shouldn't be running a
distro like fedora in the first place) and to use your words they
shouldn't be "FORCED" to take manual steps to get current software
(i.e that is what the upgrade was all about after all).
3) We have a site called "bugzilla" where problems are supposed to be
reported, flamewars do not really solve problems