WTF - Re: [Fed-Devel] Re: SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart

Kevin Kofler kevin.kofler at
Mon Jun 13 07:47:04 UTC 2011

Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 13.06.2011 05:58, schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>> No, the choice of this kind of core under-the-hood system components
>> should be a decision of the distribution.
> thats freedom?

You have the freedom to fork Fedora. Good luck!

A distribution is about integration of different components, not about a 
random hodegepodge of stuff which doesn't work together. You should not 
expect all the software to cooperate with an obsolete init system. (In 
particular, why should services have to ship legacy initscripts (or native 
upstart configuration) along with the native systemd modules (which are 
required for efficiency)? systemd is also going to take up more and more 
roles in the very near future, e.g. replacing ConsoleKit.)

> and usually HE CAN NOT with the most new technologies introduced in Fedora
> the first two releases (PulseAudio, KDE 4.0...)

PulseAudio was actually replaceable when it was initially introduced. It 
even still is to some extent. IMHO that only makes it harder to make things 
just work.

For KDE, it was just plain impossible to support both 3.5 and 4.0 in the 
same distribution without violating the FHS. All the other distributions 
which offer both versions of KDE are installing at least one to a non-FHS 
prefix. Supporting only 4.0 also meant we could tweak kdelibs3 to integrate 
better into a KDE 4 environment, e.g. we use the KDE 4 KHelpCenter for help, 
the KDE 4 DrKonqi if a kdelibs3 app crashes etc.


As I said in another message, it's not systemd's fault if your fstab is 
invalid. Fix your fstab.

(And systemd is even getting a workaround to accept such broken fstab 

> and that it was planned for Fedora 14 and reverted at the last moment

I also consider that a mistake. The issues found during testing were all 
fixed in time for the Fedora 14 release. Reverting the feature achieved 
exactly nothing.

> and now a version later /run was introduced and discussed
> not long ago shows that there are some peopole in the fedora community
> with the only interest getting their stuff to as many users as possible
> without a real interest if they can live with it

How would you not be able to live with /run?

        Kevin Kofler

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