SYSTEMD: Give us a option for upstart
akurtako at redhat.com
Mon Jun 13 11:27:49 UTC 2011
On 02:12:43 PM Monday, June 13, 2011 Lucas wrote:
> >PLEASE give us a option for systems upgraded with yum
> >NOT USING "systemd" and force "upstart" as before
> >* the system is running since years
> >* every dist-upgrade via yum was no problem
> >* now see screenshot
> >* WTF is there to relabel if started with "selinux=0"-kernel-param
> >WHY IN THE WORLD ARE USERS FORCED TO USE SYSTEMD ONLY BECAUSE
> >THEY UPGRAD TO F15? DO THIS FOR NEW INSTALLATIONS BUT NEVER
> >ON UPDATES
> >I DO NOT NEED SYSTEMD ON 20 SERVERS HERE BECAUSE THEY ARE STARTING
> >FAST ENOUGH AND I NEED NO MAGIC WHICH THINKS KNOWS WHAT TO START
> >IN WHICH ORDER SINCE I KNOW WHAT IS RUNNING ON MY SYSTEMS
> My opinion:
> You know what was wrong, sir - you put on your 20 servers Fedora - free
> software. And that means that you can't get personal support, because most
> of real developers are employees of Redhat.
> Have you notice that they use Fedora like a toy, to play with, to test a
> new ideas, to try new things on it. Developers do not count it like
> anything serious - it is a toy for them. Today they decided that upstart
> is wrong and they need systemd, tomorrow they can change their mind, they
> going to implement btrfs soon. Fedora is a test toy. Do not expect any
> respect for the long time use. And that is why linux is not so popular -
> it has always been a TOY and nothing more. Consider to use something
> different for your server or solve your problems by your self.
The generalization that we(Red Hat associates) see Fedora as a toy is
Do you know how many of us are spending their free time to get Fedora better?
Do you know how many of us have worked on Fedora(or related things) before
working for Red Hat?
Do you know how big part of the Red Hat work is available in Fedora without
being available in RHEL?
Yes, we have opinions and we stick to them - most of the time without our
managers even know - because it's smth we do on our own. Speaking personally
everyone can accuse me of not fullfilling some user's wishes (which I'm not
oblided to do) but someone saying that I(we) look at Fedora as a toy is really
hurting a lot of feelings.
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