serial kernel console vs. systemd

[Josh Stone]

On 05/19/2011 11:57 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
> systemd does not redirect kmsg.
> 
> We actually are no longer reading console= from the kernel cmdline. We
> now rely entirely on /sys/class/tty/console/active which gives us
> similar information. And we use it only and exclusively to spawn a getty
> on the kernel console after finishing.

Ok, I was hand-waving because I wasn't sure.

> Anyway, if kmsg msgs are lost for you this probably happens inside of
> ply or something related, but not systemd.

Is "ply" part of (or short for) plymouth?  I took rhgb out of my command
line, and it's giving me a lot more on serial now.  I don't remember
that being necessary before, but I could be mistaken.  But I still don't
get anything on a hard crash.  Any idea where else I could look to
improve this?

Thanks,

Josh