Firefox on Fedora: No longer funny

Stephen John Smoogen smooge at
Fri Oct 14 19:32:44 UTC 2011

On Fri, Oct 14, 2011 at 08:44, Matthew Miller <mattdm at> wrote:
> On Sun, Oct 09, 2011 at 11:14:45AM -0600, Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> How many multi-user systems run firefox from them? At the university
> We sure do.

Yes, but does it work, and how many developers use that? Do even the
students developing things for the university use or understand that
centralized view? Sadly we are becoming the old farts who we had to
replace 20 years ago... you know the ones who would tell you that the
only way to develop was how things had to run on the PDP-11 or

>> where I used to work we "had" this and it was awful because the tool
>> itself isn't written for this use case. This was a problem in 2008..
>> it hasn't gotten any better since then. Very few applications are
>> written with the "old" world view of centralizing usage. It doesn't
> Everything old is new again.

Sneaks up fast doesn't it.

>> fit either the largest use case (one user->one device) or the newer
>> "centralized" usage where items are in a cloud and gotten through a
>> "portal" system. I think our old way of doing things is becoming a
>> corner case to be routed around.
> Yes, it certainly is as developers come increasingly from the "small" world
> view, and have no concern or thought for what their changes do on a larger
> scale. To me, that seems to be squandering an inherent advantage of our
> platform in a dubious race to compete on the desktop -- but that's tilting
> at windmills. Our approach going forward is going to be personal remote
> virtual machines -- the resources are still centralized, but the
> applications can't tell.

Yeah that is pretty much the new centralized view versus the old NFS
centralized view (and some would say its actually the old-old 390 view
of virtual machines centralizing stuff).  I figure in 20 years we will
have new NFS view to replace the centralized one.

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> Harvard School of Engineering & Applied Sciences
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