FESCo meeting minutes for 2011-10-24
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Mon Oct 24 17:42:00 UTC 2011
#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2011-10-24)
Meeting started by t8m at 17:00:16 UTC. The full logs are available at
* init process (t8m, 17:00:34)
* #667 Request to fix CRITPATH update process (t8m, 17:03:26)
* Once again deferred based on pending bodhi change
https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/642 and statistics gathering.
* #663 Late F16 Feature Java7 (t8m, 17:09:25)
* LINK: https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4932 (nirik,
* ACTION: t8m will remove this item from future meetings but will
leave it open for the final update by dbhole (t8m, 17:16:08)
* Fedora Engineering Services tickets (t8m, 17:16:44)
* https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6 (t8m,
* nothing much new here. Please see nirik if you would like to help
out with FES (t8m, 17:17:30)
* Next week's chair (t8m, 17:17:46)
* sgallagh will chair 2011-10-31 meeting (t8m, 17:20:16)
* Open Floor (t8m, 17:20:40)
* Discussion about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
* ACTION: rbergeron will start processing the F17 features for the
next week meeting (t8m, 17:32:37)
Meeting ended at 17:35:37 UTC.
* t8m will remove this item from future meetings but will leave it open
for the final update by dbhole
* rbergeron will start processing the F17 features for the next week
Action Items, by person
* rbergeron will start processing the F17 features for the next week
* t8m will remove this item from future meetings but will leave it
open for the final update by dbhole
People Present (lines said)
* t8m (47)
* nirik (27)
* haraldh (15)
* cwickert (8)
* zodbot (6)
* rbergeron (5)
* notting (5)
* mbuf (3)
* pjones (3)
* mjg59 (0)
* sgallagh (0)
* mmaslano (0)
* ajax (0)
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17:00:16 <t8m> #startmeeting FESCO (2011-10-24)
17:00:16 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Oct 24 17:00:16 2011 UTC. The chair is t8m. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:00:23 <t8m> #meetingname fesco
17:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fesco'
17:00:28 <t8m> #chair notting nirik ajax cwickert mjg59 mmaslano t8m pjones sgallagh
17:00:28 <zodbot> Current chairs: ajax cwickert mjg59 mmaslano nirik notting pjones sgallagh t8m
17:00:34 <t8m> #topic init process
17:00:37 * notting is here
17:00:41 * nirik is here.
17:00:41 <t8m> hello all
17:00:47 * cwickert is here
17:00:51 <pjones> oh hey it's that time.
17:01:15 <t8m> I took the chair for Marcela who cannot attend today.
17:02:25 <t8m> Anybody else from FESCo around?
17:02:46 <t8m> But we have the quorum so I think we can start.
17:03:26 <t8m> #topic #667 Request to fix CRITPATH update process
17:03:33 <t8m> .fesco 667
17:03:37 <zodbot> t8m: #667 (Request to fix CRITPATH update process) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/667
17:04:20 <nirik> not sure I have anything new to report.
17:04:29 <t8m> It seems the ticket is still unresolved.
17:04:30 <nirik> proventesters have continued to meet... made a bit of progress.
17:04:57 <nirik> I'm making a page for package tester resources: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Package_tester_resources help wanted.
17:05:20 <t8m> I suppose the releng/admin resources now go to the F16 release?
17:05:27 <nirik> also, we've talked about changing the join-fedora setup to not lump testers in with packagers/os developers... might get some more folks involved.
17:05:54 <t8m> nirik, yep, that could help a little
17:05:54 <nirik> I've not heard status on the bodhi ticket to allow a 2 week timeout. I can check on it tho.
17:06:10 <t8m> nirik, I don't see any update there
17:07:06 <t8m> mjg59, around? Any news about the critpath karma and proventester karma statistics?
17:07:34 <t8m> I suppose we will have to defer this again to the next meeting.
17:07:39 <pjones> he's in prague at kernel summit, dunno if he's planning on being here.
17:07:44 <nirik> yeah, I think so
17:08:10 <mbuf> is this the Fedora Spins meeting?
17:08:15 <pjones> no.
17:08:19 <mbuf> okay
17:08:20 <t8m> mbuf, no, FESCo meeting
17:08:45 <nirik> mbuf: spins is in 3 hours approx
17:08:48 <t8m> Anybody proposes anything else for this ticket than defer?
17:08:56 <notting> no, defer
17:09:06 <mbuf> nirik: thanks
17:09:13 <t8m> #info Once again deferred based on pending bodhi change https://fedorahosted.org/bodhi/ticket/642 and statistics gathering.
17:09:25 <t8m> #topic #663 Late F16 Feature Java7
17:09:31 <cwickert> mbuf: spins meeting is at 20:00 UTC, 3 hours from now, in #fedora-meeting-1
17:09:31 <t8m> .fesco 663
17:09:33 <zodbot> t8m: #663 (Late F16 Feature Java7) - FESCo - Trac - https://fedorahosted.org/fesco/ticket/663
17:10:14 <t8m> This is still pending update from dbhole on the remaining rebuilt packages.
17:10:35 <nirik> I think everything is done.
17:11:02 <nirik> The one that was not building didn't build with 1.7.0 ever either,
17:11:06 <nirik> so I think we can close it out.
17:11:42 <nirik> https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/4932
17:11:46 <nirik> is the rel-eng ticket
17:12:10 <t8m> nirik, are you sure that the 4 other remaining items mentioned on last meeting were rebuilt?
17:12:27 <t8m> Unfortunately I do not know which packages were that.
17:12:58 <nirik> yeah, I thought so, but I guess I could be wrong.
17:13:10 <nirik> we could wait for dbhole if we want to be sure I guess.
17:13:19 <nirik> there's not any further fesco action here tho that I can see.
17:14:14 <t8m> I can remove the meeting keyword. But I'd prefer to leave the ticket open until dbhole confirms that the 4 remaining packages are done.
17:14:38 <nirik> well, sure... but we also have a rel-eng ticket, so not sure what good the duplicate fesco one does. ;)
17:15:00 <t8m> Perhaps so FESCo members are notified?
17:15:45 <nirik> sure I suppose. ;)
17:16:08 <t8m> #action t8m will remove this item from future meetings but will leave it open for the final update by dbhole
17:16:44 <t8m> #topic Fedora Engineering Services tickets
17:16:54 <t8m> #info https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-engineering-services/report/6
17:17:04 <nirik> nothing much new here. Please see me if you would like to help out with FES
17:17:30 <t8m> #info nothing much new here. Please see nirik if you would like to help out with FES
17:17:46 <t8m> #topic Next week's chair
17:18:00 <nirik> I've not done it in a while... I guess I can...
17:18:28 <haraldh> oh... can we also put https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove as a FESCO topic? :) I know, it's not through FeatureWrangler.. but the sooner we tackle it, the better ...
17:18:31 <haraldh> :)
17:19:39 <nirik> haraldh: can you file a ticket then? but until it's thru the wrangler process we shouldn't discuss approving it or the like... perhaps we can get the wrangler to look this next week?
17:19:43 <t8m> nirik, Hmm, I forgot that sgallagh already took the chairing for the next week
17:20:00 <nirik> t8m: fine with me. ;)
17:20:10 <haraldh> nirik, yeah, then wrangle it :)
17:20:16 <t8m> #info sgallagh will chair 2011-10-31 meeting
17:20:40 <t8m> #topic Open Floor
17:20:58 * nirik is not the wrangler.
17:21:40 <haraldh> just wanted to note, that we want to start with that feature ASAP
17:23:35 <t8m> haraldh, yes, this should have started in rawhide already
17:23:45 <t8m> haraldh, if we want it in F17
17:24:19 <notting> well, this is the sort of feature that's messy to undo
17:24:20 <notting> if it doesn't get approved
17:24:29 <haraldh> exactly
17:24:31 * nirik skims the feature page, will need to ponder implications.
17:25:24 <t8m> It seems to me it is doable and realistic goal as for the packaging - not sure about the problems with boot and shutdown
17:25:47 <haraldh> shutdown is no problem
17:25:59 <haraldh> dracut already supports /usr on a normal partition
17:26:13 <haraldh> and mounts it according to fstab
17:26:45 <haraldh> and I will add support for /usr on other disks like rootfs is supported now
17:26:45 <t8m> #info Discussion about https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove
17:27:28 <cwickert> what about systemd?
17:27:38 <cwickert> haraldh: will systemd support this?
17:27:47 <cwickert> s/will/does
17:28:12 <cwickert> http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/separate-usr-is-broken
17:28:16 <t8m> haraldh, why this feature consists also of move from /usr/sbin to /usr/bin? It doesn't seem to me like a good idea to complicate this already complicated feature with unrelated change.
17:28:23 <haraldh> systemd is not aware of it :) because systemd will be on /usr already :)
17:28:38 <haraldh> so, dracut does all the job of /usr mounting and umounting
17:29:04 <haraldh> t8m: if we clean up, we want to clean up the sbin mess also
17:29:30 * rbergeron is happy to move it into the queue now if you guys want to start looking at F17 features and approving them
17:29:53 <notting> i'm all for starting the feature process asap
17:29:56 <t8m> haraldh, it seems to me like this should be properly discussed with a full meeting topic
17:30:05 <t8m> rbergeron, please
17:30:08 <t8m> notting, +1
17:30:11 <haraldh> t8m, fine with me!
17:30:12 <rbergeron> alrighty
17:30:27 <rbergeron> If you guys have stuff to talk about for the next 5 minutes, I can make tickets and y'all can go through and start approving :)
17:30:49 <haraldh> t8m, just wanted to make sure, that a decision is made and everybody is aware of the process
17:30:55 <t8m> rbergeron, I think we should leave that for the next week meeting to study the features properly
17:31:05 <nirik> yeah, next week...
17:31:10 <nirik> to give us time to read up and such.
17:31:13 <rbergeron> okay. I'll put them in the queue and you guys can take a look next week
17:31:19 <rbergeron> surelydiddlydo
17:31:27 <haraldh> thanks @ all
17:32:37 <t8m> #action rbergeron will start processing the F17 features for the next week meeting
17:33:17 <t8m> Anything else for the Open Floor?
17:33:44 * nirik has nothing.
17:33:52 * cwickert neither
17:34:24 * cwickert is hungry
17:34:50 * t8m will end the meeting in one minute.
17:35:37 <t8m> #endmeeting
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