Tom Lane tgl at
Sun Sep 4 00:20:14 UTC 2011

Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler at> writes:
> Stephen John Smoogen wrote:
>> On Sat, Sep 3, 2011 at 07:46, Reindl Harald <h.reindl at>
>> wrote:
>>> How many releases will this dirty mix of systemd/sysvinit(lsb in the
>>> distribution exist until the OS can be called as "clean" like before
>>> F15?

>> As many as it takes to get it done.

> We need to get a provenpackager to just poke through all the packages and 
> fix them instead of waiting for the maintainers.

That doesn't seem to me to be a very good idea.  Having recently worked
on the systemd migrations for mysql and postgresql, I know that there
are frequently package-specific considerations that are not obvious to
the casual onlooker.  Having somebody who thinks he knows what he's
doing hack all the unfixed services is likely to make things worse not

> We should also remove this stupid "cannot migrate to a native systemd unit 
> in an update" rule. If a native systemd unit file gets written, it should be 
> pushed out to F16 and F15 immediately.

That policy annoyed me at first but I've seen the wisdom of it.  Doing
something like that will very likely break users' customizations of
their service setups, which is not something you want to have happen
after a routine "yum update".

			regards, tom lane

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