submitters +1ing their own packages

Till Maas opensource at
Thu Sep 8 20:18:50 UTC 2011

On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 12:34:25PM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-09-08 at 20:59 +0200, Till Maas wrote:
> > On Thu, Sep 08, 2011 at 06:42:56PM +0000, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> > 
> > > As in components flagged as base/core/critical might restrict the 
> > > maintainer from +1 his own component and require more stricter QA 
> > > oversight while components that are not flag as base/core/critical might 
> > > not?
> > 
> > If a +1 from a maintainer is counted for the stable update threshold
> > than the policy could just be changed to allow maintainers to push
> > updates directly to stable. Because this is what will be possible, only
> > that a lot of stupid interaction with Bodhi will be required. But it
> > would fit the current policy that does not state clearly that any update
> > submitter is allowed to push a non critpath update to stable as soon as
> > the update received at least one +1 from anyone.
> We're going round in circles again, as I know I've written this at least
> twice in the previous threads on the topic, but: no. What Bodhi adds to
> the process is accountability, an audit trail, and an easy way to manage
> privileges. If we keep the Bodhi thresholds but allow maintainers to +1
> their own updates, it makes it very very easy to look at a hyopthetical
> future problematic update and say 'look, you +1ed this update which was
> clearly broken, it went out, and caused pain to users: your +1
> privileges are revoked', and actually do that, without affecting other
> maintainers who are following the rules. If we just let everyone push
> straight to stable, we lose that.

It is easy to go in circles if everyone is using "+1" with a different
meaning. If you read carefully what I quoted you will notice that I
quoted a proposal to allow +1 comments only from submitters for non
critpath updates. If we use your meaning of "+1 comments from
submitters" this means that the proposal is to add an audit trail only
for non critpath updates. I am pretty sure that you do not mean this.

So your proposal is probably to allow +1 comments from submitters, but
do not use it to calculate the karma value of an update. But this is a
technical detail. Even with allowing a direct push to stable instead of
using a complex karma calculation formula you will have an audit trail
in Bodhi, because Bodhi creates a comment about this as well. And you
can as well revoke the direct-push-to-stabe direct-push-to-stabe feature
from misbehaving maintainers.

Kind regards
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