What do rawhide testers want and expect?

Nicolas Mailhot nicolas.mailhot at laposte.net
Mon Sep 12 18:35:53 UTC 2011

Le lundi 12 septembre 2011 à 09:57 -0600, Stephen John Smoogen a écrit :
> In reading the long trash each other fest that accompanies pre-release
> jitters, could we start on a cleaner plate? What do the people who are
> using rawhide day-in/day-out expect out of the channel? What level of
> pain does someone like Jonathan Corbet expect and how can we better
> serve them? [And no this isnt me trying for another distro quote of
> the week, he is just my reference point of someone I know who runs
> rawhide day in and out.]

I'd expect apps to works, with breakage limited to non-mainstream or
brand-new options (in other words app crash on startup = no good, some
feature not baked yet = why not)

When there is breakage, I expect to have someone benefit from the
breakage inflicted to me. That means abrt and sealert *must* work 100%
of the time in rawhide and maintainers *must* look at problem reports
(if only to indicate workarounds). There is nothing more depressing than
spending time fighting a problem to see no one cares and there is no way
to report it, or having the same app crash for months in a row (I'm
thinking about you empathy)

When rawhide crashes too much I spend all my time repairing it which
means I have no time left for my other Fedora activities. After a while
I don't have the energy to check if it's still broken I just
procastinate and push tasks to the next week. It's easy to get into the
habit of not caring when others do not care about you.

Nicolas Mailhot

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