grub / grub2 conflicts

Richard W.M. Jones rjones at
Thu Sep 22 19:33:53 UTC 2011

On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 07:58:35PM +0100, Matthew Garrett wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:44:00PM -0400, David Airlie wrote:
> > Nicely editing out of the other use-case I supplied. grub and grub2 *packages* don't install into the same few bytes.
> > 
> > I thought you were good at backing up arguments with technical reasons, not strawmen.
> > 
> > The argument is "should it be possible to install grub1 and grub2 *packages* on the same system?"
> > 
> > The strawman is if you install grub1 and grub2 bootloaders into the MBR on the same system they will conflict. I totally agree with your strawman, but you still haven't provided any technical reasons why the argument is wrong. Above all people Matthew I thought you were aware of how strawmen work and would be against their use.
> Because it means additional complexity for any tools which have to 
> interact with the bootloader and provides no benefit for any real 
> usecases.

That grubby has to decide whether to run grub or grub2?

Please can you outline exactly what bugs arose that caused the
conflicts to be added.  THIS is what we've been asking for.

If we can fix those bugs in a better way, we can remove the conflicts,
and we can take over legacy maintainership of grub1 ourselves.


Richard Jones, Virtualization Group, Red Hat
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