grub / grub2 conflicts

Peter Jones pjones at
Thu Sep 22 19:39:55 UTC 2011

On 09/22/2011 03:27 PM, Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 22, 2011 at 02:51:40PM -0400, Peter Jones wrote:
>> Oh, my mistake. That being beside the point, it pretty much means
>> any VM created in a previous OS release won't work. In any case I
>> totally disagree with your idea of security, as I mentioned at the
>> time. It makes things worse, not better.
> Not running random code from untrusted guests makes things worse?

Having more things installed on the host means a larger attack surface.

>> And that's still ignoring that grub1 needs to completely go away.
> It's not going to completely go away until such guests completely go
> away.  People use virtualization precisely because it allows them to
> continue to run very old operating systems.  Or even supported ones
> like RHEL 6 (using grub1 until 2017-2020).

It's going to go away *in Fedora* much sooner than the timeframe it takes
for old OSes to bitrot into the void, yes. You've totally ignored the point,
which is that you won't be able to run it on the host when it isn't there.


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