Summary/Minutes for today's FESCo meeting (2012-12-19)

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On Thu, Dec 20, 2012 at 06:07:58PM -0800, Adam Williamson wrote:
> On Thu, 2012-12-20 at 17:50 -0800, Toshio Kuratomi wrote:
> 
> > > Just making systemd the exception sounds like chickening out from the
> > > real solution which is to end this Fedoraism.
> > > 
> > Well really it's us not wanting to fight to make you do the right thing any
> > longer.  If you want us to take a stand please continue to talk about your
> > way being the one and only right way until someone's heroic enough to stand
> > up to your attitude.
> 
> Ahem. Isn't your own first sentence suggesting that *your* way is the
> one and only right way? I don't see how you can attack Lennart for
> having a firm belief about what's the 'right way' when you also seem to
> have a firm belief about what's the 'right way'...
> 
The FPC Guidelines give package maintainers the option of using
%{_libexecdir}, %{_libdir}.  The recent changes that I worked on allow
%{_prefix}/lib in certain cases.  When FPC at large decided that portions of
what systemd wanted to do still didn't completely fall under those cases,
I took the request from FPC that FESCo simply grant a special exception for
systemd to FESCo.

So if you're arguing that my firm belief is also a right way or the highway,
belief then you aren't arguing about the use of lib, libexec, and lib64
anymore.  You're opening up a much larger conversation about whether
top-down or bottom-up decision making is the direction that Fedora should be
taking in the future; whether Fedora "management" should decide on one and
only one way to do things and then force every packager to do things that
way.

But if you want to go that route on this question, then it should be noted
that FPC ruled that the use that systemd makes of
%{_prefix}/lib was wrong under the prior guidelines but the systemd
maintainers refused to make their package conform.  So while you might pose
that question it's not likely to have a more desirable outcome for the
systemd package maintainers than what they have now.

-Toshio
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