/usrmove?

[Ralf Corsepius]

On 02/10/2012 10:06 AM, "Jóhann B. Guðmundsson" wrote:
> On 02/10/2012 04:45 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:

>> In this spirit, I eg. would propose to table usrmove for F17 and to
>> concentrate on systemd integration and anaconda/grub2 improvements,
>> both topics, I perceived as the "hall of shame of F16".
>
> Better systemd integration of services is not going to happen I can just
> tell you that here and now
Why not? Users are supposed to struggle with the swamp/mess the systemd 
integration currently is in? Could it be systemd reached its design 
limitations (== is a failure)?

Don't get me wrong, I am honestly asking, because I don't know and 
because it's in general not uncommmon to see "promissing developments" 
to reach 90% of its goals in 10% of the projected time, but to never 
cover the remaining 10% - Often because for limitations of the design.

> unless fesco brings fourth the big hammer or
> packagers get their act together.
That's what I meant my "responsibility". I am asking the people in 
charge to "draw consequences".

This could be to "bring out the hammer", it could be to "revert", it 
could be Red Hat to delegate personnel, it could be volunteers to jump 
in, to bring "this unpleasant topic to a proper end".

> The said state of systemd migration only reflects the said state of
> package maintainership in the distribution...
Well, I do not share this view. IMO, it reflects the attitude of the 
people behind this development.

Ralf