/usrmove? -> about the future

[Jon Ciesla]

On Fri, Feb 10, 2012 at 1:08 PM, Adam Williamson <awilliam at redhat.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 11:02 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
>> On 02/10/2012 10:57 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> > On Fri, 2012-02-10 at 10:39 -0800, Scott Doty wrote:
>> >> On 02/10/2012 10:05 AM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>> >>> You're not supposed to be running Fedora on production servers. That is
>> >>> not what it's for.
>> >>>
>> >> Sez who?
>> >>
>> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/Server
>> > Sez the board:
>> >
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base
>> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User_base_-_general_productivity_user
>> >
>>
>> These are _minimums_.
>>
>> I'm not saying that anyone should be bending over backwards to support
>> using Fedora on servers, but "it's not for servers" doesn't hold water
>> with many in the community.
>
> Let me put it this way, then: Fedora is released on a six month cycle,
> which is far faster than is usually considered desirable for server
> usage. It has a 13 month lifetime, which is far shorter than is usually
> considered desirable for server usage. Its key values and goals are
> assuredly not compatible with typical server usage - e.g. "First - We
> believe in the power of innovation and showing off new work in our
> releases. Since we release twice a year, you never have to wait long to
> see the latest and greatest software, while there are other Linux
> products derived from Fedora you can use for long-term stability. We
> always keep Fedora moving forward so that you can see the future first."
> There are numerous practical policies derived from these values which
> are clearly not optimal for server usage, such as the short freeze
> times, relatively low barrier of entry to disruptive features, and QA
> focus on installation and basic desktop use (we do virtually no QA on
> any kind of server usage). Finally, there are *several* Linux
> distributions available which have none of the above 'shortcomings' (so
> far as server usage is concerned).
>
> Given all that, it seems only logical to conclude that Fedora really
> _isn't_ primarily intended for use as a production server.

Bingo, which is why it's important for people like me who do it to
realize what they're getting into and take some responsibility for
that choice, like with any other technological choice.  If you aren't
will to either take downtime for Anaconda or preupgrade, or do lots of
fresh installs, or mess with yum upgrades, use RHEL/CO/SL/Etc.  Not
for the feint of heart, and I sure as heck don't do it at work. :)

-J

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