Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea

[Aleksandar Kurtakov]

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brendan Jones" <brendan.jones.it at gmail.com>
> To: devel at lists.fedoraproject.org
> Sent: Monday, January 30, 2012 2:44:21 AM
> Subject: Re: Rolling release Fedora - fantastic idea
> 
> On 01/30/2012 12:59 AM, Henrique Junior wrote:
> > I've started talking to Greg KH, the guy who implemented openSUSE
> > Tumbleweed. Here is what he said:
> >> 1 - What were the changes in the infrastructure necessary for the
> >> operation of
> >> openSUSE Tumbleweed?
> >
> > None.
> >
> >> 2 - The Tumbleweed has led to a great "cost" in manpower to be
> >> maintained?
> >
> > Nope, it's trivial to maintain (5-10 minutes ever few days at
> > most),
> > thanks to our wonderful infrastructure (the open build system).
> >
> >> 3 - The return of a rolling release repository has been the
> >> expected?
> >
> > What do you mean by "return"?
> >
> > Lots and lots of people use it and rely in it every day, and are
> > very
> > happy with it, so it is succeeding as far as I can tell.  Is that
> > what
> > you mean?
> >
> > Note, if you infrastructure can't handle such a thing as a rolling
> > release like obs can support, then it will be difficult for you to
> > do
> > this in Fedora.
> >
> > best of luck,
> > -----------------
> > So, is anyone here familiar to openSUSE Build System? Can Koji do
> > the same?
> >
> >
> > 2012/1/29 Noah Hall<noah.hall at fuduntu.org>:
> >> On Sun, Jan 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM, Reindl
> >> Harald<h.reindl at thelounge.net>  wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Am 29.01.2012 23:57, schrieb Noah Hall:
> >>>> Fuduntu is not the best. Neither is Fedora. I, myself, am a
> >>>> Rawhide
> >>>> user. I'd love for Fedora become rolling simply because messing
> >>>> around
> >>>> with preupgrade and reinstalling is oh so tedious and a waste of
> >>>> my
> >>>> time.
> >>>
> >>> why are you doing it instead a yum-upgrade?
> >>> i made some hundret the last yaers so there is no need for
> >>> reinstall
> >>>
> >>> Why do you think more people are using Ubuntu for development?
> >>>
> >>> *lol* who told you this?
> >>>
> >>> maybe more people using ubuntu in suammy but surely not for
> >>> development
> >>> why more people are using ubuntu is clear - many people believe
> >>> they
> >>> can use it like windows with no thoughts at all
> >>
> >> Personal experience in both industry and education. You can "lol"
> >> all
> >> you want, it doesn't change it's the most used distro. I dislike
> >> it
> >> strongly myself, and I'd prefer Fedora to be used as it doesn't
> >> have a
> >> very silly lead developer.
> >>
> >>> Whatever their reasons might be, Ubuntu being a rolling release
> >>> distro
> >>> is not one of them. Simply because Ubuntu does not do rolling
> >>> releases ;-)
> >>
> >> Indeed, but there's a lot less fuss upgrading Ubuntu from one
> >> version
> >> to another. A lot less.
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> >
> >
> >
> The weakest link in any build system is the package maintainers

Fedora's huge advantage and huge disatvantage is the same - For a great number of packages the package maintainer is upstream developer too. 
This is great in my eyes, making all other distros not even coming close for development purposes. But I agree that upstream developers
might be the weakest point because whenever we have to choose we will choose to fix the upstream project FIRST. And sometimes there will be no time left for Fedora because of real life.
And this is the weakest point - I myself would always prefer to fix a problem upstream and not playing some dance to ship latest version on some rolling distro or older-but-supported version.
Yes, for me F-(n-1) receives only security fixes though if someone wants he/she can step in and do the rolling/old versions support. 
So yes someone can count package maintainers as the weakest point - from a very limited Fedora POV, if one looks on the big (Linux-wide) picture the observations would be very different. 

Alex


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