*countable infinities only

Jon Ciesla limburgher at gmail.com
Fri Jun 1 19:56:56 UTC 2012

On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno <greno at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 06/01/2012 03:32 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> On Jun 1, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Gerry Reno wrote:
>>> That would be much easier accomplished by having the OS reside on a read-only device that could only be written to by
>>> the user actively using hardware to enable the write during installation.
>> Except this hardware does not exist, and it only took about a decade to get 512e AF drives from concept to ship. Ergo not only not easier, not possible (practically anyway as people want to use SSDs and HDDs).
>> And also except that your premise that all users, by default, have the competency to determine what software is to be trusted, and push a button on hardware typically located inside of an enclosure, is flawed. You're basically requiring a.) all users with laptops have the ability to physically open their laptops to push this button; or b.) a laptop case design that exposes this button, as if that isn't fraught with all sorts of potential problems.
>>> Forensic firms have been using these types of read-write controllable drive interfaces for years.  Hardware already exists.
>> And the commonality in environment, workflow, and user competency between forensic firms and Fedora users is maybe 5%? I mean, if we're going to just throw spaghetti at a wall, I get to make wild guesses too.
>> It appears not even remotely practical, let alone in a ~6-12 month time frame. And there's zero incentive for drive manufacturers to do this and pass the cost onto all of their consumers.
>> Chris Murphy
> Drive manufacturers need to do nothing.
> One drive probably SSD at this point, gets dedicated to OS.  Other drive to everything else.
> The read-write controllable interfaces already exist as I pointed out and are in use by forensic firms.

And how many consumer OEMs ship them?


> There are plenty of buttons/keys on machines right now that can be used to toggle this interface.
> It's 100% doable today with existing hardware.
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