*countable infinities only

Michael scherer misc at zarb.org
Sat Jun 2 07:58:33 UTC 2012

On Sat, Jun 02, 2012 at 02:24:35AM +0200, Kevin Kofler wrote:
> Michael scherer wrote:
> > For the record, UEFI based motherboard would likely have a graphical
> > interface, so no blueish DOS-like commandline thing.
> > Of course, that also permit endless graphical customisation.
> > See for example
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YLwHKHqBitc
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OCfRWrCj3lc
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gDWyayfBNs
> > ( time spent to search that on youtube, around 30 seconds )
> > 
> > And there is also variation of the interface per vendor, just look on the
> > various ASUS motherboard interfaces.
> WTF, graphical firmware?! What happened to the KISS principle? :-(

I am quite amazed, you seem to discover the recent trend in motherboards.
( cause yes, such cards are already on the market, a coworker do have one and the
pc is just 1 year old ). 

And there is graphical interface I suppose to display shiny reports ( temperature, 
fan speed ), to display help with a decent formatting language, or to show
things like "location of card on the motherboard". I would even imagine a system 
where you could download updates directly from the interface, permiting to have 
1 update interface to test, instead of doing it on the various windows version 
( so less QA to do for OEMs, ie cheaper ).

> This also shows that we really need Free PC firmware, it's becoming more and 
> more of its own operating system.

I assume that you never used anything than a PC to say that, because
Open Firmware bundled a forth interpreter, was able to run arbitrary program, etc.
Or if you take a recent Apple laptop, you would see that rEFIt can
give you access to underlying EFI, letting you run arbitrary sotware, go on 
network ( there is ping, traceroute ), among others.

And there is already free pc firmware :

> On the other hand, this should make the firmware less "scary" to users and 
> make it more viable to require them to make tweaks there.

I would place less hope in interfaces designed by low level coders whose 
main priority is to ship ASAP to take over the market by speed. 

Neither would I think that fiddling with hardware settings with a graphical interface 
would be much safer than with text interfaces. I doubt that 
"enable DMA overcommit on shadow memory" would be less scary displayed in a graphical
interface rather than in pure text. I also doubt that documentation would be so
much easier to understand due to UEFI.

Michael Scherer

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