*countable infinities only

Denis Arnaud denis.arnaud_fedora at m4x.org
Sun Jun 3 12:33:06 UTC 2012


The discussion has been very interesting, and it is probably being followed
by a lot of non-Fedora developers as well.

[To be honest, I first bought the
pro-"find-a-simple-enough-work-around-to-SecureBoot-issue" arguments. But,
reading through the arguments from KK, Adam and some others, I must admit I
would now favour the "If you want Fedora, just disable SecureBoot" solution]

My point is: Fedora has long been criticised for never having natively
supported (https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items) non-free media
codecs (MP4, DivX, etc), non-free databases (Oracle, IBM DB2, etc), without
speaking about "basic" software pieces such as Adobe Acrobat Reader, Adobe
Flash, Oracle/Sun's Java JDK. And every time the argument is the same (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3,
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Flash, https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Java ),
along the lines of:
"Adobe's Flash plugin cannot be included in Fedora because it is not
free/libre and open source software", "Fedora is unable to include encoding
and decoding support for the MP3 format because it requires patented
technologies and the patent holder has not provided licenses that are
compatible with Fedora's requirements", "If it is proprietary, it cannot be
included in Fedora. (Binary firmware is the only exception to this); If it
is legally encumbered, it cannot be included in Fedora"

The official Fedora wiki barely explains (
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Third_party_repositories) how to install all
those license-encumbered packages, so that most of the time, Fedora users
have to search on the web for those procedures. Fortunately enough, a lot
of blog entries explain that much better than the official Fedora wiki.
Understand me: I am perfectly fine with Fedora not "messing with
license-encumbered packages" and relying on third party repositories for
that. My point is just that I do not find it consistent to
then compromise our great principles in "supporting" SecureBoot, at least
indirectly.

In other terms: if Fedora users are supposed to know how to install
multimedia codecs, Flash, pristine Java JDK, Google suites (Chrome, Earth,
Picasa, Desktop), Oracle database clients, without explicit Fedora
support(!), is it a big deal to also ask them to know how to disable
SecureBoot (with explicit Fedora support)?

That question is just food for thoughts. So, no need to start new flame
wars :)

Cheers

Denis
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