*countable infinities only

Jon Ciesla limburgher at gmail.com
Mon Jun 4 19:52:59 UTC 2012

On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 2:44 PM, Gerry Reno <greno at verizon.net> wrote:
> On 06/04/2012 10:24 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 3:10 PM, Gerry Reno <greno at verizon.net> wrote:
>>> On 06/01/2012 03:56 PM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
>>>> On Fri, Jun 1, 2012 at 2:37 PM, Gerry Reno <greno at verizon.net> wrote:
>>>>> Drive manufacturers need to do nothing.
>>>>> One drive probably SSD at this point, gets dedicated to OS.  Other drive to everything else.
>>>>> The read-write controllable interfaces already exist as I pointed out and are in use by forensic firms.
>>>> And how many consumer OEMs ship them?
>>>> -J
>>> Any Chinese fab would be able to produce any quantity needed within weeks to any number of OEM's.
>> Key words, "would be able".  What OEM ships this *today*?  That's my point.
>>>>> There are plenty of buttons/keys on machines right now that can be used to toggle this interface.
>>>>> It's 100% doable today with existing hardware.
>>> The whole point is that is that I provided just one example of an equally effective solution to SecureBoot that has much
>>> less impact on both Microsoft and Linux.   The entire x86 industry is going to become a mess if SecureBoot is
>>> implemented.  It'll be signature-HELL and a lot more.
>>> This whole SecureBoot runaway train needs to have the brakes slammed on.
>> I'm not saying I love SecureBoot, but that ship has sailed.
> Yes, and just like the Titanic it will have a lasting horrible impact.

I'm not disputing that that's a possibility.  I'm just arguing that in
lieu of a better solution being available on hardware that's either
currently available or shipping in a Windows 8/Fedora 18-19 timeframe,
I can see why the decision that was made was made.  My opinion on
SecureBoot, my opinion of Microsoft's Windows 8 certification
requirements around SecureBoot, and my opinion on Fedora's actions to
mitigate a bad situation are 3 distinct things.


> Gerry
>> I also
>> wish Amiga hadn't futzed with their floppy drive stepper motors to
>> squeeze in more sectors per disk and made my floppies unreadable
>> without a trip to eBay, but that ship has sailed as well, so I pretty
>> have to find the best solution available for the situation at hand.
>> I would love for SecureBoot not to have happened, or to have happened
>> differently. If wishes were horses, even the poor would eat.
>> -J
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