Schedule for Monday's FESCo Meeting (2012-06-18)

Richard Hughes hughsient at
Sun Jun 17 16:06:51 UTC 2012

On 17 June 2012 10:53, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones at> wrote:
> So this is a problem that needs to be solved, but does it require a
> reboot?  Not really ... it's possible to list all processes using
> zlib, convert that back into a list of packages, then instruct those
> packages to restart themselves.  Job done, BETTER than Windows / OS X.

That's simply not possible. Some processes like dbus-daemon and
gnome-session just cannot be restarted in this way. It's a complete
fallacy to believe you can update core libraries on a modern Linux
system without rebooting. Add btrfs snapshotting to the mix (to be
able to do updates safely) and doing updates in-situ becomes
impossible. If Fedora wants to statically link everything, then it's
certainly possible to workaround, but that's not acceptable to Fedora
for perfectly understandable reasons.

> This is another case where we ape the misfeatures of Mac OS X and
> Windows, instead of doing it better (cf. Wayland, GNOME 3, etc)

I'm not sure how non-technical and misleading comments like this help
people in coming to a decision. Can you refrain from posting things
like this to a development mailing list please.



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